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    Re: If Obama had not been president, would Putin be expanding? Would 154 Dutch be dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I don't think it would have probably mattered, I do not think any one who ran would likely have gotten us into a war over the Ukraine, nor would any of them likely to run have done significantly more than Obama. However, and it is important to say, speculating one what would have been if only things where different is kinda silly, much like using much larger fonts in your posts...
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    Re: If Obama had not been president, would Putin be expanding? Would 154 Dutch be dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome! View Post
    I shudder at the thought...If Obama wasnt president 30% of the country would be dead due to the lack of proper healthcare and women's rights would be set back 70 years.


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    Re: If Obama had not been president, would Putin be expanding? Would 154 Dutch be dea

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    (same works for giant, bold typeface)

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    Re: If Obama had not been president, would Putin be expanding? Would 154 Dutch be dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    The poll is insufficiently varied.

    You gave us 2 stupid options, both of which are wrong:

    a) yes, he would be expanding under romney (hurr durr, obama is good)
    b) no (hurr durr, obama is weak)

    When in fact the correct options would be either one of these:
    c) I don't know and uninformed, partisan speculation like this is stupid.
    d) No, I don't think it matters who the US president is, Putins' agenda is independent of that of the USA's because the US will not intervene on behalf of Ukraine since it's not in NATO

    I know some of these are larger than the characters allowed in the options of the polls, but make an effort, when creating the poll and presenting information, to not be simple.
    Option D. Even if Romney was POTUS we wouldn't do anything. The American voter is done with foreign wars for a long while.

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    Re: If Obama had not been president, would Putin be expanding? Would 154 Dutch be dea

    The people who shot down the Malaysian airplane didn't ask the USA for permission before they fired the missile.

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    Re: If Obama had not been president, would Putin be expanding? Would 154 Dutch be dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Believe it or not, most of the world doesn't care who the American president is. We certainly do here in the United States, but most of the rest of the world cares about their own leaders, not ours.
    Correct. To prove your point, ask any 10 US citizens to name three world leaders other than Obama and Putin. You will be lucky to find one.

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    Re: If Obama had not been president, would Putin be expanding? Would 154 Dutch be dea

    I'm also not sure why Obama should care to take aggressive action against Russia for the dead European Union citizens when it isn't obvious that the European Union is going to take aggressive action for the dead European Union citizens. Why should we raise the stakes on Europe's behalf?
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    Re: If Obama had not been president, would Putin be expanding? Would 154 Dutch be dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    DutchNews.nl - Ukraine air disaster leaves 295 dead, 154 are Dutch nationals

    I do wonder if the ultra leftists of Western Europeans are still happy, especially the Dutch, that Obama was elected, seeing as 154 Dutch just were killed by Vladimir Putin's expansionist forces, rebels.





    Ukraine air disaster leaves 295 dead, 154 are Dutch nationals

    Thursday 17 July 2014

    Smouldering wreckage at the crash site. Photo: Reuters

    At least 154 Dutch nationals were on board the Malaysian Airlines plane thought to have been brought down by a rocket over Ukraine.
    Malaysian Airways spokesman Huib Gorter told a press conference at Amsterdam’s Schiphol airport on Thursday evening 154 Dutch nationals, 27 Australians, 23 Malaysian, 11 Indonesians, six British nationals, four Germans, four Belgians, three Filipinos and one Canadian were on board.

    The nationality of 47 other passengers has not yet been determined.

    The Malaysian Airways plane left Schiphol airport on Thursday afternoon with 295 people on board and crashed in Ukraine shortly after 14.15 hours.

    The Boeing 777, with 280 passengers and 15 crew, was en route for Kuala Lumpur.

    The Ukraine authorities say the plane was brought down by pro-Russian separatists but this has been denied by the groups themselves, broadcaster Nos said.

    According to American media reports, the plane was brought down by some form of rocket. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has described it as 'an act of terrorism'.

    According to website nu.nl, airspace over Ukraine has been closed. Other media reports say some airlines are now avoiding Ukraine.
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    Dutch king Willem-Alexander issued a statement saying he was 'deeply shocked' by the news.

    'We offer our deepest sympathy to the families, friends and colleagues of the victims and to those who are still uncertain if their loved ones were on board the plane,' the short statement said.

    The Dutch foreign ministry has opened a phone line for relatives to ring for further information: 00 31 70 348 77 70.
    Independent inquiry
    Journalist Noah Sneider said on Twitter: 'At crash site of #MH17. Bodies everywhere, organs splayed out. Too gruesome to post photographs. This is an absolute disaster. #ukraine.'
    Dutch foreign minister Frans Timmermans has said investigators must have 'unhindered access' to the crash site. There must be an independent investigation into the disaster, he said.
    The foreign ministry is sending extra officials to Kiev to help out at the Dutch embassy.
    BBC news reports
    New York Times journalist at the scene
    Kyiv Post report of transcript featuring pro Russian rebels discussing downing of plane.
    © DutchNews.nl



    Could you use a larger font?

    I can barely read your post

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    Re: If Obama had not been president, would Putin be expanding? Would 154 Dutch be dea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    DutchNews.nl - Ukraine air disaster leaves 295 dead, 154 are Dutch nationals

    I do wonder if
    the ultra leftists of Western Europeans are still happy, especially the Dutch, that Obama was elected, seeing as 154 Dutch just were killed by Vladimir Putin's expansionist forces, rebels.





    Ukraine air disaster leaves 295 dead, 154 are Dutch nationals

    Thursday 17 July 2014

    Smouldering wreckage at the crash site. Photo: Reuters

    At least 154 Dutch nationals were on board the Malaysian Airlines plane thought to have been brought down by a rocket over Ukraine.
    Malaysian Airways spokesman Huib Gorter told a press conference at Amsterdam’s Schiphol airport on Thursday evening 154 Dutch nationals, 27 Australians, 23 Malaysian, 11 Indonesians, six British nationals, four Germans, four Belgians, three Filipinos and one Canadian were on board.

    The nationality of 47 other passengers has not yet been determined.

    The Malaysian Airways plane left Schiphol airport on Thursday afternoon with 295 people on board and crashed in Ukraine shortly after 14.15 hours.

    The Boeing 777, with 280 passengers and 15 crew, was en route for Kuala Lumpur.

    The Ukraine authorities say the plane was brought down by pro-Russian separatists but this has been denied by the groups themselves, broadcaster Nos said.

    According to American media reports, the plane was brought down by some form of rocket. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has described it as 'an act of terrorism'.

    According to website nu.nl, airspace over Ukraine has been closed. Other media reports say some airlines are now avoiding Ukraine.
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    Dutch king Willem-Alexander issued a statement saying he was 'deeply shocked' by the news.

    'We offer our deepest sympathy to the families, friends and colleagues of the victims and to those who are still uncertain if their loved ones were on board the plane,' the short statement said.

    The Dutch foreign ministry has opened a phone line for relatives to ring for further information: 00 31 70 348 77 70.
    Independent inquiry
    Journalist Noah Sneider said on Twitter: 'At crash site of #MH17. Bodies everywhere, organs splayed out. Too gruesome to post photographs. This is an absolute disaster. #ukraine.'
    Dutch foreign minister Frans Timmermans has said investigators must have 'unhindered access' to the crash site. There must be an independent investigation into the disaster, he said.
    The foreign ministry is sending extra officials to Kiev to help out at the Dutch embassy.
    BBC news reports
    New York Times journalist at the scene
    Kyiv Post report of transcript featuring pro Russian rebels discussing downing of plane.
    © DutchNews.nl



    If your aunt was a man s/he would be your auncle, eh?

    But your aunt isn't a man, and Barack Obama is president of the USA.




    Deal with it, Obama will be in the White House until another Democrat moves in in 2017.

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    Re: If Obama had not been president, would Putin be expanding? Would 154 Dutch be dea

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Correct. To prove your point, ask any 10 US citizens to name three world leaders other than Obama and Putin. You will be lucky to find one.
    Just ask them to name major leaders from Canada or Mexico. I include myself here. I have no idea who runs Mexico. Though now that I point it out, I feel that I ought to find out.
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