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  • Shot down

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  • Brought down (from inside)

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  • Terrorist Act

    1 2.56%
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  • We'll never know

    2 5.13%
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    Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    The BUK can hit targets at over 70.000 feet, so a civilian aircraft is completely vulnerable at any altitude of which it might be capable. That makes a 32,550 feet minimum useless. In any case, we don't control the flight paths of other country's civilian air fleets over any airspace but our own. That's too bad, but that's how it is and is likely to remain. I can see a requirement for a flight plan made available to the public, though. At least then a passenger could make an informed decision about whether to board that plane or not.
    No, we do not control the flight of a plane from London to Malaysia. But the European Air Control does, at least through its members.

    And yes, the Kiev no-fly was too low. But to allow airplanes to fly through the area was somewhat ify, I find.

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    No, we do not control the flight of a plane from London to Malaysia. But the European Air Control does, at least through its members.

    And yes, the Kiev no-fly was too low. But to allow airplanes to fly through the area was somewhat ify, I find.
    I think it's more than iffy, but I agree. It was an established corridor. It just makes me wonder why an established corridor remains an option when it's over a war zone. I think two AN-26's have been shot down in the past two weeks there. Someone didn't check or ignored the transponder in this instance, and that type of mistake would very typically be made by an ill-trained and trigger happy rebel. Just proves such war zones are no place at all for civilian aircraft.

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Shot down?
    Brought down? (from inside)
    We'll never know?
    Terrorist act?

    What do you think happened? And who did it?
    Pro-Russian insurgents or Russian personal shot it down. There is no serious doubt about that.

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    In light of the most recent news, these seem to be the most likely of scenarios.
    Maybe but I'm an idiot for thinking out loud even though I'm probably right.
    Having opinions all over the map is a good sign of a person capable of autonomous thinking. Felix -2011

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    But I am smarter than everyone else.
    I can tell. Your earlier post proved it LoL

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Why not just NOT post in a thread you don't like, rather than add something with no substance?
    NOT posting? Ludicrous.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    But I am smarter than everyone else.
    We know. You were clever enough to point out that it's incredibly hard to find aircraft wreckage in the ocean when its wreckage is in Ukraine.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Hmmm...

    What can you do about the next election? Nothing. So I guess caring, or discussing it isn't an option?
    I can vote in an election, I can pick who is election and hope enough people agree with me.I can say yeah or nay to ballot initiatives and hope enough people agree with me.

    I don't think the Malaysian plane did anything different than other planes have done. Technically I don't think there's a "war" going on.
    What would you call a civil war?

    I'm sure things will change now, but hindsight is 20/20 right.
    I would think that it would be common sens to not fly civilian aircraft over a war zone due to the fact it can be mistaken for a enemy aircraft and shot down. Aircraft drop bombs, fire cannons and all sorts of other weapons at troops or even transport troops.


    At any rate, it's still an international tragedy isn't it?
    More like a accident or case of mistaken identity.

    A distraction from what?
    V.A. scandal and illegals from central American coming into the country just to name a few.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I can vote in an election, I can pick who is election and hope enough people agree with me.I can say yeah or nay to ballot initiatives and hope enough people agree with me.


    What would you call a civil war?


    I would think that it would be common sens to not fly civilian aircraft over a war zone due to the fact it can be mistaken for a enemy aircraft and shot down. Aircraft drop bombs, fire cannons and all sorts of other weapons at troops or even transport troops.




    More like a accident or case of mistaken identity.


    V.A. scandal and illegals from central American coming into the country just to name a few.
    Your one vote does nothing. When was the last time a single vote made a difference? Never is the word that comes to mind. If you did not vote nothing would change. We'd still have Obama as president. Bush would have been elected. Clinton would have been elected. Your one non-vote would not have changed any of that.

    There were no restrictions on flying over that part of the Ukraine. The flight path was approved, and not unique by any means.

    There's a conflict for sure going on. Is it internationally known and called a "civil war" right now? It is truly classified as a war? I get that it' a semantics game, but since regular commercial air flights were not restricted from flying over the area I assume it was not considered a flat out "war". Again, I'll agree it's semantics basically. The people fighting and being killed in the Ukraine are surely viewing it as a war.

    As far as the "distraction" thing.... I honestly thought you were above that kind of garbage.
    That kind of rhetoric is for the conspiracy people and nut-wing righties.

    Was the world cup soccer a distraction?
    How about the Baseball All Star game?

    You can call any world event a distraction if you wish, but that's simply ridiculous hyper-partisan crap.

    It's a tragic world-wide event. Whether it was an accident (mistaken identity of civilian craft for an enemy craft), or an outright attack on a civilian target doesn't change what happened to 300 innocent people.

    Do you have friends, co-workers, and/or family members who sometimes travel overseas? Do they sometimes fly to get from point A to point B?
    Surely you must. So I fail to see how there couldn't be some concern for what's happened.

    You might not be able to do anything about what's already happened, but that doesn't mean it should be brushed off as a "distraction".

    That's just so arrogant and mean.

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Your one vote does nothing. When was the last time a single vote made a difference? Never is the word that comes to mind. If you did not vote nothing would change. We'd still have Obama as president. Bush would have been elected. Clinton would have been elected. Your one non-vote would not have changed any of that.
    Elections are determined by enough like minded people voting for a particular candidate. It doesn't matter if that was decided by one vote or a couple million votes. Mitt Romney lost because enough people did not vote for him.

    There were no restrictions on flying over that part of the Ukraine. The flight path was approved, and not unique by any means.

    There's a conflict for sure going on. Is it internationally known and called a "civil war" right now? It is truly classified as a war? I get that it' a semantics game, but since regular commercial air flights were not restricted from flying over the area I assume it was not considered a flat out "war". Again, I'll agree it's semantics basically. The people fighting and being killed in the Ukraine are surely viewing it as a war.
    Can you explain the brilliance of flying a aircraft where there is war or conflict going on? Is there some uncrackable "This is a civilian aircraft" beacon in order to distinguish it from a spy plane, military transport aircraft( or civilian aircraft being used for that purpose), gun ship, or bomber?

    As far as the "distraction" thing.... I honestly thought you were above that kind of garbage.
    That kind of rhetoric is for the conspiracy people and nut-wing righties.
    There is nothing conspiratorial about it.

    Was the world cup soccer a distraction?
    How about the Baseball All Star game?
    Yes those are distractions.The Romans used games to keep the masses distracted and occupied.Sports is no different today.

    You can call any world event a distraction if you wish, but that's simply ridiculous hyper-partisan crap. It's a tragic world-wide event. Whether it was an accident (mistaken identity of civilian craft for an enemy craft), or an outright attack on a civilian target doesn't change what happened to 300 innocent people.
    It is not a world event.It is a plane that flew over a war zone getting shot down.Flying a plane over a war zone amounts to running across a busy highway, trying to preach Christianity in a die hard Muslim or communist country, sticking your finger in a light socket, running with scissors, trying to do trick spins with a loaded pistol with the safety off, opening a cup of hot coffee in your lap, smoking cigarettes, texting while driving or some other idiotic thing.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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