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Thread: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Shot down by Russian Separatists with Russian training on a BUK land-to-air missile system because they mistook it for a Ukrainian military plane.

    The Ukrainians apparently have several recorded telephone intercepts between Russians and Separatists confirming this, and I'm pretty damned sure that's what happened... although I'm also pretty damned sure that the Russian Separatists are busily carting off all the wreckage along with the black boxes to Russia to cover up the evidence.

    The fact that Russian Separatists have shot down two other planes in the last week pretty much seals the deal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    My educated guess: Shot down by Ukrainian pro-Russian separatists using captured surface to air munitions. Thought it was a cargo plane supplying Ukraine's military and not a civilian passenger Jet from Malaysia.
    In light of the most recent news, these seem to be the most likely of scenarios.

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
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    Step 1 Enter thread on topic that you either didn't read or don't know what is being discussed.

    Step 2. Post things on said thread that obviously prove you don't know what you are talking about ie the ocean is very very big when everyone else knows not only that the plane came down over land but that no one is looking for the wreckage of the plane because they know exactly where it is.

    Step 3 Call everyone else who is actual posting on the topic of the thread dummies.

    Step 4 Walk off with the smug feeling that you are smarter than everyone else.

    But I am smarter than everyone else.

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

    It was another crazy Malaysian pilot who decided to go on a suicide run by flying close to the missile batteries of the Ukrainian rebs.

     
    (Im kidding btw)

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    In light of the most recent news, these seem to be the most likely of scenarios.
    I thought this small insight into the available technology might be interesting at this point. What would it take to shoot down MH17? - The Washington Post

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I thought this small insight into the available technology might be interesting at this point. What would it take to shoot down MH17? - The Washington Post
    Old news. Everybody by now knows that a Buk missile launcher is likely to be involved. The poll question has been already answered by radar and heat signatures. The plane was brought down by a ground-to-air missile. Also, all the deleted tweets and phone conversations point to the pro-Russian separatist rebels as the ones responsible for shooting down the plane, which apparently they mistook or a military cargo.

    The remaining question is - how did the rebels operate a Buk missile launcher? It seems like extensive training is needed to operate one. It's a complex operation for target acquisition and it involves lots of electronics with a huge control panel. This is not something you simply aim and pull a trigger. Some sources say the crew that is necessary to operate a Buk unit must undergo two years of training. Maybe not that long, but it seems unlikely that rebels would be able to operate the unit on short notice (which either they received from Russia or seized from the Ukraine military - the latter possibility seems more likely since they had bragged about seizing one) without close assistance from Russian advisers, which then would look very bad for Moscow anyway even if they didn't provide the unit.

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Why?

    That's pretty damned cold-hearted isn't it?

    I know many people who must travel all over the world for business. A civilian/commercial airplane was possibly sot down.

    How can you "not care"?
    1.What can I do about the shot down plane? Nothing

    2.This is a the result of a plane flying over a war zone. People engaging in warfare tend to not trust aircraft flying above their skies.

    3.Focusing on this issue is nothing more than a distraction.The mainstream media will try to blame or imply Russia had something to do with this.The right wing media will either blame this on Obama's incompetence for not wasting American lives and money on trying to stop Russia or claim this is some attempt bail Obama out of the other "scandals".
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post

    The remaining question is - how did the rebels operate a Buk missile launcher? It seems like extensive training is needed to operate one. It's a complex operation for target acquisition and it involves lots of electronics with a huge control panel. This is not something you simply aim and pull a trigger. Some sources say the crew that is necessary to operate a Buk unit must undergo two years of training. Maybe not that long, but it seems unlikely that rebels would be able to operate the unit on short notice (which either they received from Russia or seized from the Ukraine military - the latter possibility seems more likely since they had bragged about seizing one) without close assistance from Russian advisers, which then would look very bad for Moscow anyway even if they didn't provide the unit.
    A poorly trained gang of militia men would not be able to do a very good job of distinguishing between targets and would easily make mistakes. That would make the downing a collateral damage.
    It would also point to questions concerning r2p.

    What I found interesting was that the Kiev government had declared the area no.fly at low altitudes meaning below 32.550 ft. I wonder why it was left open to carriers to decide whether to risk overflight. It is not officially a war zone, but that makes me wonder, if we do not need to revisit civil air traffic control regulation.

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    A poorly trained gang of militia men would not be able to do a very good job of distinguishing between targets and would easily make mistakes. That would make the downing a collateral damage.
    It would also point to questions concerning r2p.

    What I found interesting was that the Kiev government had declared the area no.fly at low altitudes meaning below 32.550 ft. I wonder why it was left open to carriers to decide whether to risk overflight. It is not officially a war zone, but that makes me wonder, if we do not need to revisit civil air traffic control regulation.
    The BUK can hit targets at over 70.000 feet, so a civilian aircraft is completely vulnerable at any altitude of which it might be capable. That makes a 32,550 feet minimum useless. In any case, we don't control the flight paths of other country's civilian air fleets over any airspace but our own. That's too bad, but that's how it is and is likely to remain. I can see a requirement for a flight plan made available to the public, though. At least then a passenger could make an informed decision about whether to board that plane or not.

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    1.What can I do about the shot down plane? Nothing

    2.This is a the result of a plane flying over a war zone. People engaging in warfare tend to not trust aircraft flying above their skies.

    3.Focusing on this issue is nothing more than a distraction.The mainstream media will try to blame or imply Russia had something to do with this.The right wing media will either blame this on Obama's incompetence for not wasting American lives and money on trying to stop Russia or claim this is some attempt bail Obama out of the other "scandals".
    Hmmm...

    What can you do about the next election? Nothing. So I guess caring, or discussing it isn't an option?

    I don't think the Malaysian plane did anything different than other planes have done. Technically I don't think there's a "war" going on. I'm sure things will change now, but hindsight is 20/20 right.
    At any rate, it's still an international tragedy isn't it?

    A distraction from what?

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    Re: Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    The plane was clearly shot down and I'm willing to bet they'll be able to tell who was responsible.
    Bush.
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