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Do You Agree With Gary Johnson?

Should We Abolish The IRS?

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Kobie said:
A flat tax is much more punitive to the poor. So no, I don't agree with that.
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What about this?

What is the FairTax | What is a Consumption Tax | Tax Reform Solutions - Americans For Fair Taxation

http://www.fairtax.org/PDF/WhatTheFederalTaxSystemIsCostingYou.pdf

The current federal income tax system is clearly broken -- unfair, overly complex, and almost impossible for most Americans to understand. But there is a reasonable, nonpartisan alternative that is both fair and easy to understand. A system that allows you to keep your whole paycheck and only pay taxes on what you spend.

The FairTax is a national sales tax that treats every person equally and allows American businesses to thrive, while generating the same tax revenue as the current four-million-word-plus word tax code. Under the FairTax, every person living in the United States pays a sales tax on purchases of new goods and services, excluding necessities due to the prebate. The FairTax rate after necessities is 23% and equal to the lowest current income tax bracket (15%) combined with employee payroll taxes (7.65%), both of which will be eliminated.
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Kobie said:
Well, he was. He's got the stank on him.
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Lol, true. But his reasons for leaving are phenomenal. He pretty much put the finger up as high as he could manage on his way out. He's worth looking into for 2016, especially with the current crop of candidates. ;)
 
Kobie said:
A consumption tax, which is basically an overall sales tax, is even MORE punitive on the poor than a flat tax.
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How so? You'll only be taxed on what you spend, rather than having half your paycheck stolen. The poor tend to spend much less, so they would be taxed less. The FairTax means they can put money in savings and build wealth without having a dime of it taken.

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Under the FairTax, all Americans consume what they see as their necessities of life free of tax. While permitting no exemptions, the FairTax (HR25/S122) provides a monthly universal prebate to ensure that each family unit can consume tax free at or beyond the poverty level, with the overall effect of making the FairTax progressive in application.
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I see this as only beneficial to the poor.
 
TeleKat said:
How so? You'll only be taxed on what you spend, rather than having half your paycheck stolen. The poor tend to spend much less, so they would be taxed less. The FairTax means they can put money in savings and build wealth without having a dime of it taken.

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I see this as only beneficial to the poor.
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The poor spend more of their general income than the rich do, just on basic necessities.
 
TeleKat said:
Lol, true. But his reasons for leaving are phenomenal. He pretty much put the finger up as high as he could manage on his way out. He's worth looking into for 2016, especially with the current crop of candidates. ;)
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He did, and I do respect him for that. I wish a few Dems would do the same. The Dems tried to get get Bernie Sanders to join them as more than a caucus member and he told them to cram it.

I would consider voting for Gary Johnson, but I'll vote Green first, only if to ensure they remain on the ballot here in NY.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
An agency as corrupt as the IRS has become cannot be salvaged.

Best would be to change the tax structure, so that we do not need nearly so big and powerful an agency to collect it.

But even short of that, I think we at least need to abolish the existing agency, and, if necessary, create a new agency; with employees of the IRS not being eligible to be employed in any government agency. As many as can be properly prosecuted of the existing IRS staff need to be tried, convicted, and sentenced to hard jail time.

Let the fate of the IRS and its employees stand as an example and a warning to those who wind up employed in the new agency that takes its place. We need to demonstrate a zero-tolerance policy toward that kind of corruption.
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If the IRS had held to statute in the first place there couldn't have been a "scandal".
 
The idea has appeal, but it's impractical. For one thing, it just ain't gonna happen. For another thing, it'd just be replaced with the same thing with a different name.

We do need serious overhaul and simplification, however... though I won't hold my breath on that, either.
 
Kobie said:
The poor spend more of their general income than the rich do, just on basic necessities.
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Basic necessities would be essentially tax-free through something called a "prebate." They explain it a bit more in-depth on the site.
 
TeleKat said:
Basic necessities would be essentially tax-free through something called a "prebate." They explain it a bit more in-depth on the site.
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Which basically makes it not what it says on the tin. I've read it ... doesn't appeal to me. I'd rather see a narrowing of tax brackets and cut off the damn loopholes so the rich can't just park money overseas.
 
Kobie said:
He did, and I do respect him for that. I wish a few Dems would do the same. The Dems tried to get get Bernie Sanders to join them as more than a caucus member and he told them to cram it.

I would consider voting for Gary Johnson, but I'll vote Green first, only if to ensure they remain on the ballot here in NY.
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I like the Green Party. I actually donated a substancial amount to Jill Stein's campaign despite the fact I voted for Gary Johnson. They seem to have a moderate left-libertarian bent to them, which I appreciate. GJ is the man though. He is leaps and bounds ahead of anyone the Green Party could put up imo. They are a good backup choice, though, for when I don't like the Libertarian.
 
Kobie said:
Which basically makes it not what it says on the tin. I've read it ... doesn't appeal to me. I'd rather see a narrowing of tax brackets and cut off the damn loopholes so the rich can't just park money overseas.
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Why dont we make the tax code as such where no one who is wealthy would have any need to park their money overseas? Why not make it so that business from around the world wants to park their money here?
 
It must be great to be a conservative. I truly wish I had the millions to be one. Regretfully, none of my credit cards are black.


What a truly great ideology though. You don't even have to think about anything in life save for which black credit card you want and in what style. Then just vote Republican. Heh. What a wonderful life.
 
Ryan5 said:
It must be great to be a conservative. I truly wish I had the millions to be one. Regretfully, none of my credit cards are black.


What a truly great ideology though. You don't even have to think about anything in life save for which black credit card you want and in what style. Then just vote Republican. Heh. What a wonderful life.
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Wow, I kept hearing upward mobility was declining and our economy was hurting, but I'm so glad Ryan5's wonderful insight and information could correct that misunderstanding by pointing out that 40% of the population are millionaires. I also discovered, thanks to Ryan5's outstanding information and enlightenment, that apparently I've been having close to $950,000 dollars, at least, stolen from me unknowingly every year. I really should call the cops and get looking at that, as I should have millions I was unaware of.
 
Zyphlin said:
Wow, I kept hearing upward mobility was declining and our economy was hurting, but I'm so glad Ryan5's wonderful insight and information could correct that misunderstanding by pointing out that 40% of the population are millionaires. I also discovered, thanks to Ryan5's outstanding information and enlightenment, that apparently I've been having close to $950,000 dollars, at least, stolen from me unknowingly every year. I really should call the cops and get looking at that, as I should have millions I was unaware of.
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So there's a lot of people who think the super rich care about them because they've been duped. Congrats.

 
Ryan5 said:
So there's a lot of people who think the super rich care about them because they've been duped. Congrats.
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So in other words you were either:

1. Just plain wrong
2. Just plain dishonest
3. Just plain hyperbolic

in your above post and rather deal with that you'd like to move the goal posts. Gotcha.
 
Zyphlin said:
So in other words you were either:

1. Just plain wrong
2. Just plain dishonest
3. Just plain hyperbolic

in your above post and rather deal with that you'd like to move the goal posts. Gotcha.
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Okay so a lot of good Americans who send their kids to public schools, rely heavily on Federal Student Loans for their childrens education and much more vote Republican naively. Yes that's true they do. But they do primarily out of principle due to religion, vague senses of morality or some other misplaced notion of loyalty that is completely unfounded, not out of policy. Republican policy is wealth policy pure and simple. Every public school would be bulldozed and the bricks sold within a week if GOP truly had its way. You know this but you will never admit it, ever.


Imagine if the GOP actually told the truth and had a campaign based on defunding all public schools. How long would the GOP last nationally? A few years?
 
Ryan5 said:
It must be great to be a conservative. I truly wish I had the millions to be one. Regretfully, none of my credit cards are black.
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Just so you know there are less rich conservatives than there are rich liberals or rich libertarians.
 
Henrin said:
Just so you know there are less rich conservatives than there are rich liberals or rich libertarians.
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To those on the wrong, “rich” refers to those who make their living by honest work or otherwise by contributing more to the economy than they take therefrom; as opposed to those who contribute nothing, and only live on that which is taken on their behalf from the “rich”.
 
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