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Thread: Do You Agree With Gary Johnson?

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    Re: Do You Agree With Gary Johnson?

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    I don't think we really can,
    Why not?

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    Re: Do You Agree With Gary Johnson?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    You're not correct.

    You are the typical American in that you believe celebrities, celebrity wealthy (such as the Kennedy's, Sports players, Rappers, Gates) makeup most of the rich of America. They do not.

    Most rich people, as in huge majorities, are conservative CEO's, family business owners who got the job through their family who are staunchly conservative or Trust Funds passed down who's current recipients have never held a job.

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    Re: Do You Agree With Gary Johnson?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Why not?
    It's the agency which collects taxes, and it's necessary. Taxes need to be paid, and the country has aggregated to such level and population that a central bureaucracy needs to be in charge of it. Now since Congress is the only entity given power to tax, the IRS would necessarily be 100% in their control. It's not to say that the IRS is perfect, but one way or another, we're going to have a form of it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Do You Agree With Gary Johnson?

    Do You Agree With Gary Johnson?-big-government-jefferson-quote-jpg

    http://www.irs.gov/PUP/newsroom/FY%2...in%20Brief.pdf

    During FY 2012, the IRS processed more than 239 million tax returns and collected $2.524 trillion in taxes (gross receipts before tax refunds)
    And those on the left think tax payers should pay more taxes. Over $2.5 trillion isn't enough?

    Total resources to support IRS activities for FY 2014 are $13,249,242,000, including $12,861,033,000 from direct appropriations, an estimated $110,627,000 from reimbursable programs, and an estimated $277,582,000 from user fees. The direct appropriation is $1,044,337,000 more than the FY 2012 enacted level of $11,816,696,000.
    The IRS gets about 13 & 1/4 billion dollars in operating expenses. This agency needs to spend over 13 billion dollars to operate? What a huge waste of tax payer contributions.
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    Re: Do You Agree With Gary Johnson?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's the agency which collects taxes, and it's necessary. Taxes need to be paid, and the country has aggregated to such level and population that a central bureaucracy needs to be in charge of it. Now since Congress is the only entity given power to tax, the IRS would necessarily be 100% in their control. It's not to say that the IRS is perfect, but one way or another, we're going to have a form of it.
    Actually you can have a tax system without the IRS or any federal agency for that matter. Take the FairTax, for example.

    From the website:

    No more complicated tax forms, individual audits, or intrusive federal bureaucracy. Retailers will collect the FairTax just as they do now with state sales taxes. All money will be collected and remitted to the U.S. Treasury, and both the retailers and states will be paid a fee for their collection service
    What is the FairTax | What is a Consumption Tax | Tax Reform Solutions - Americans For Fair Taxation

    http://www.fairtax.org/PDF/WhatTheFe...CostingYou.pdf

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    Re: Do You Agree With Gary Johnson?

    Well I used to like Gary Johnson, now I see he's just another politician spouting populist BS... oh well.

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    Re: Do You Agree With Gary Johnson?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Actually you can have a tax system without the IRS or any federal agency for that matter. Take the FairTax, for example.

    From the website:



    What is the FairTax | What is a Consumption Tax | Tax Reform Solutions - Americans For Fair Taxation

    http://www.fairtax.org/PDF/WhatTheFe...CostingYou.pdf
    I can agree that what we have currently have a very complex tax structure with lots of loopholes for rich buddies and blah. However, I'm not a fan of regressive tax schemes.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Do You Agree With Gary Johnson?

    This thread should be called "Rich peoples therapy session".

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    Re: Do You Agree With Gary Johnson?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's the agency which collects taxes, and it's necessary. Taxes need to be paid, and the country has aggregated to such level and population that a central bureaucracy needs to be in charge of it. Now since Congress is the only entity given power to tax, the IRS would necessarily be 100% in their control. It's not to say that the IRS is perfect, but one way or another, we're going to have a form of it.
    The big mistake was putting the IRS under control by the Executive Branch.
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    Re: Do You Agree With Gary Johnson?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    The big mistake was putting the IRS under control by the Executive Branch.
    Wherever it is, it must be controlled. But yes, the IRS cannot be held by any 1 individual; it belongs to Congress. It's the same with the Federal Reserve.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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