View Poll Results: What would you do about the death penalty?

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  • Modify it. (Explain your answer)

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Thread: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

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    Re: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    To me, it's necessary, because it balances a grievous wrong that was committed. It's about justice, the symbol of which is a pair of scales.

    I part ways with most libertarians on the issue of the death penalty. As far as I am concerned, if we have no problem with killing in self-defense, it is irrational to be opposed to killing someone who has already murdered someone else.
    So we should rape those who rape, steal from those who steal, and assault those who assault? Justice is not grounded in revenge.

    There's a MASSIVE difference between killing someone who is a direct threat to you in that moment, and executing as a form of punishment.

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    Re: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    So we should rape those who rape, steal from those who steal, and assault those who assault? Justice is not grounded in revenge.

    There's a MASSIVE difference between killing someone who is a direct threat to you in that moment, and executing as a form of punishment.
    No. My point is that it is no more rational to kill in self-defense, than it is to kill after the fact. The person who killed someone could have been killed by the person who he was attacking, and it would have been okay. My life is no more important than yours is, so if it's justifiable for me to kill someone who is trying to kill me, it is also justifiable to kill someone who already killed you.
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    Re: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post
    So you're pro death penalty?? Because that was my point.
    I have no problem with the principle of the death penalty. The way it's set up is IMO severely flawed.
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    Re: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    No. My point is that it is no more rational to kill in self-defense, than it is to kill after the fact. The person who killed someone could have been killed by the person who he was attacking, and it would have been okay. My life is no more important than yours is, so if it's justifiable for me to kill someone who is trying to kill me, it is also justifiable to kill someone who already killed you.
    Once someone is forcibly isolated from society, they are no longer a threat. Self-defense is only justifiable because it is in DEFENSE of yourself. It is taking down someone who is a legitimate threat to you at that moment. Killing someone who is no longer a valid threat does not fall within the realm of "self-defense."

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    Re: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

    Quote Originally Posted by MACS-24 View Post
    I vote "modify"
    First, find a way to ensure 99.99% guilt then actually enforce it. As it stands there is no deterrent and has become useless. Instead, redundant 'new' laws are made that usually only affect the innocent for what they "might" do.
    The death penalty has never been a deterrent and never will be.
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    Re: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    To me, it's necessary, because it balances a grievous wrong that was committed. It's about justice, the symbol of which is a pair of scales.

    I part ways with most libertarians on the issue of the death penalty. As far as I am concerned, if we have no problem with killing in self-defense, it is irrational to be opposed to killing someone who has already murdered someone else.
    In my opinion, if you support killing someone who has murdered someone, it is irrational to be opposed to killing someone who has jaywalked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Once someone is forcibly isolated from society, they are no longer a threat. Self-defense is only justifiable because it is in DEFENSE of yourself. It is taking down someone who is a legitimate threat to you at that moment. Killing someone who is no longer a valid threat does not fall within the realm of "self-defense."
    If it is legitimate to kill someone trying to harm you, it is doubly justifiable to kill them after they have committed murder. There is no argument which will convince me otherwise. I would have no problem pulling the trigger on a cold-blooded killer- no more than I would have putting down a rabid dog.
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    Re: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    If it is legitimate to kill someone trying to harm you, it is doubly justifiable to kill them after they have committed murder. There is no argument which will convince me otherwise. I would have no problem pulling the trigger on a cold-blooded killer- no more than I would have putting down a rabid dog.
    I would say killing someone attempting to harm you is different than killing them after the fact.

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    Re: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I would say killing someone attempting to harm you is different than killing them after the fact.
    Of course it's different. My point is that it's justifiable to kill a murderer- more so than someone who is attempting murder. To think it's only justifiable to kill someone trying to kill you is saying that you believe your life to be more valuable than that of another.
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    Re: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    If it is legitimate to kill someone trying to harm you, it is doubly justifiable to kill them after they have committed murder. There is no argument which will convince me otherwise. I would have no problem pulling the trigger on a cold-blooded killer- no more than I would have putting down a rabid dog.
    Self-defense is only legitimate because it is in the interest of your direct safety, not because it is acceptable to kill murderers.

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