View Poll Results: What would you do about the death penalty?

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Thread: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

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    Re: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post



    You don't seem to understand the basis for self defense. You are not allowed to deliberately kill anyone. Rather, you are authorized to use whatever force is needed to protect yourself or others, and sometimes the ugliness of reality means that lethal force is required. If we had guns like star trek phasers where it was as easy to incapacitate someone as kill them, it would be illegal to use anything but stun mode.

    The goal of law is to protect the people, not to find excuses to dehumanize people so you can abuse them. Any act of harm that doesn't prevent further harm is unacceptable.
    Murderers have already dehumanized themselves.
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    Re: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

    There are those who are such monsters that it is probably the only reasonable penalty. McVeigh, bin Laden...maybe some serial killers.

    However, I think it's over used to the point that the deterrent factor is lost.


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    Re: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Murderers have already dehumanized themselves.
    And you would be a murderer yourself if you killed them. Or maybe you think you are a special snowflake who is exempt from the rules.

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    Re: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    And you would be a murderer yourself if you killed them. Or maybe you think you are a special snowflake who is exempt from the rules.
    I don't advocate that individuals should be going around killing murderers. I am advocating that the death penalty is a logical and just action for the victim of the murderer, and that the legal/ justice system is the means for doing so.
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    Re: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Murderers have already dehumanized themselves.
    Only that's not for you to judge or for that matter anybody in society. If I consider rapists to have dehumanized themselves, can I argue for a death penalty for them? I could say I'd like them to be executed but I don't set the DP standard for dehumanization anymore than you do.
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    Re: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I don't advocate that individuals should be going around killing murderers. I am advocating that the death penalty is a logical and just action for the victim of the murderer, and that the legal/ justice system is the means for doing so.
    Which is exactly the problem. Your motivations are clearly based on revenge, hatred and personal satisfaction, but you want the supposedly impartial justice system to do your dirty work.

    If someone killed my family or loved one, I would gladly go kill him/her after the fact. If someone were a cold-blooded killer and I was not related to, and did not have emotional connections to the victim, I could still easily kill that rabid non-human who did it.
    That is not justice, you openly admit you'd give you family members a pass because of the emotional situation. Its fine to have such feelings, everyone does, but don't confuse them with the needs of a functioning legal system.

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    Re: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Which is exactly the problem. Your motivations are clearly based on revenge, hatred and personal satisfaction, but you want the supposedly impartial justice system to do your dirty work.



    That is not justice, you openly admit you'd give you family members a pass because of the emotional situation. Its fine to have such feelings, everyone does, but don't confuse them with the needs of a functioning legal system.
    I don't know about others, but my motivations are most certainly based on revenge, along with some others. I really don't care how much pain the death penalty causes. Frankly, I'd like to see duplications of how the murderers killed their victims.

    I think it is completely unnatural for a human being to wantonly kill another human being. Goes against the most basis instinct. Once a person has crossed that line and murdered another in an act of violence, they cease to be human, and should be treated as such.

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    Re: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Which is exactly the problem. Your motivations are clearly based on revenge, hatred and personal satisfaction, but you want the supposedly impartial justice system to do your dirty work.



    That is not justice, you openly admit you'd give you family members a pass because of the emotional situation. Its fine to have such feelings, everyone does, but don't confuse them with the needs of a functioning legal system.
    This thread is about the death penalty, which implies that it's the legal system we are talking about. I personally would have no problem putting a bullet in the head of a cold-blooded murderer, assuming I worked in the legal system. I also would have no problem killing someone who killed a loved one, or killing someone who was trying to kill me or someone I loved. The reason we have different definitions and types of murder, is because of the emotional trappings in some circumstances. For instance, if you caught your wife screwing around on you, and you killed the guy she was ****ing, I would not support the death penalty for you. You were acting out of high passion. If, otoh, you killed someone dispassionately, without remorse, and in cold blood, and it could be proved beyond any doubt whatsoever, I would support the death penalty for you.
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    Re: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I don't know about others, but my motivations are most certainly based on revenge, along with some others. I really don't care how much pain the death penalty causes. Frankly, I'd like to see duplications of how the murderers killed their victims.
    The funny thing is that you demonstrate exactly the same mentality as a murderer, seeking to inflict needless suffering upon a helpless victim for personal satisfaction.

    I think it is completely unnatural for a human being to wantonly kill another human being. Goes against the most basis instinct. Once a person has crossed that line and murdered another in an act of violence, they cease to be human, and should be treated as such.
    Unfortunately that is completely and utterly wrong. You can take literally anyone, put a rifle in their and hands and they will kill random strangers if you tell them its a "war".

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    Re: Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The funny thing is that you demonstrate exactly the same mentality as a murderer, seeking to inflict needless suffering upon a helpless victim for personal satisfaction.



    Unfortunately that is completely and utterly wrong. You can take literally anyone, put a rifle in their and hands and they will kill random strangers if you tell them its a "war".
    No, not at all. I see the convicted murderer as nothing but a biomass of worthless sludge needing to be flushed down the toilet.

    I couldn't care less if people want to see this fact as being parallel to a murderer. That's just their bleeding heart victimhood blather attempting to claim a higher ground.

    Much better to squeegee the bile away, and use the money to help someone in real need, rather than provide the convicted killer a life they disqualified themselves from deserving.

    As to war, this tired old argument that killing in war is akin to murder is priceless. Even the most fervent soldiers in the military will tell you that killing another human being is a difficult thing to do. Following orders is different than "give me all the money in the drawer" and then splattering the poor store owners brains across the back wall. That's what I mean, and you know it.

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