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Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 62.1%

  • No

    Votes: 11 37.9%
  • Total voters
    29
TheDemSocialist said:
Not talking about the specifics. Talking simply how your statement that nothing "in this country's fabric was based on government grabbing private wealth" is simply wrong.
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complete fail on your part-there was no income tax created by the founders-just excise taxes

remind me of what sort of personal tax was imposed on individuals by the federal government as run by the founders?
 
TurtleDude said:
complete fail on your part-there was no income tax created by the founders-just excise taxes

remind me of what sort of personal tax was imposed on individuals by the federal government as run by the founders?
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Arent taxes in their nature taking cash (property) from an individual by the government? Doenst have to be income tax. Now you are moving the goal posts. You said: "nothing in this country's fabric was based on government grabbing private wealth".
 
Anyways. Seems pretty clear to me that the Tea Party movement itself is funded by "crony capitalists". Dont know how you can get around that.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Arent taxes in their nature taking cash (property) from an individual by the government? Doenst have to be income tax. Now you are moving the goal posts. You said: "nothing in this country's fabric was based on government grabbing private wealth".
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I see you failed to answer again

so you are wrong-there was no taxes that went after the wealth of citizens imposed by the founders at the federal level
 
TurtleDude said:
I see you failed to answer again

so you are wrong-there was no taxes that went after the wealth of citizens imposed by the founders at the federal level
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They were given the power to. Proving your statement: "nothing in this country's fabric was based on government grabbing private wealth", totally wrong.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
They were given the power to. Proving your statement: "nothing in this country's fabric was based on government grabbing private wealth", totally wrong.
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more nonsense. You have failed and you are now repeating the same parrot squawk
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Watched an interview with a Tea Party "leader" earlier tonight. He kept up bringing up the point that the Tea Party is "against crony capitalism". That got me thinking, isnt the tea party itself a astro turf movement that is funded by crony capitalists such as the Koch Bros. So, Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?
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There's probably a few genuine anti-corporatists in the movement, but as a whole they have become a branch of the GOP. Most, if not damn near all, are corporate shills now. Same sh*t, new rhetoric. It, like the Occupy Movement, started out as a legitimate opposition to Wall St cronyism and the central banking racket, but eventually both became firmly entrenched in the corrupted two party system.

Long story short: yes.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Watched an interview with a Tea Party "leader" earlier tonight. He kept up bringing up the point that the Tea Party is "against crony capitalism". That got me thinking, isnt the tea party itself a astro turf movement that is funded by crony capitalists such as the Koch Bros. So, Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?
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There's probably a few genuine anti-corporatists in the movement, but as a whole they have become a branch of the GOP. Most, if not damn near all, are corporate shills now. Same sh*t, new rhetoric. It, like the Occupy Movement, started out as a legitimate opposition to Wall St cronyism and the central banking racket, but eventually both became firmly entrenched in the corrupted two party system.

Long story short: yes.
 
Yes, just like the democrats and republicans. Our odd version of corporate controlled "democratic" elections mean that it is nearly impossible for one to be successful without selling their soul to corporations, special interest groups, and the like.
 
TurtleDude said:
that's complete crap. nothing in this country's fabric was based on government grabbing private wealth. and what is hilarious is the high minded facade people like you cloak envy in.
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So what? Even if you could argue that the founders would have disagreed with the current state of affairs of government, which you cannot, what makes their opinions morally superior to all others?

the death tax only hits those who have already paid far far far more income taxes than most americans. Its nothing more than a surcharge on the overtaxed.
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And at the end of the day, they still have far more wealth than most Americans. Why do you find taxing someone after they are dead in no longer in need of the money morally reprehensible? Trust fund babies are not something you want to encourage in society.

do you even realize that the death tax was proposed as a solution to a "problem" that no longer exists and is not part of the proper role of government? the death tax was before 40% or more federal and state income taxes were foisted on the rich
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Who defines what the "proper role of government" is? Also, I have to lol at 40% being considered a high tax rate on upper incomes.
 
TurtleDude said:
you seem confused between having the power to do many things and with the claim that the founders wanted that power to be used to slake the envy of losers by soaking the rich with additional taxes that only they have to pay
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Property: Benjamin Franklin to Robert Morris
All Property, indeed, except the Savage's temporary Cabin, his Bow, his Matchcoat, and other little Acquisitions, absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the Creature of public Convention. Hence the Public has the Right of Regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the Quantity and the Uses of it.
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SocialDemocrat said:
So what? Even if you could argue that the founders would have disagreed with the current state of affairs of government, which you cannot, what makes their opinions morally superior to all others?



And at the end of the day, they still have far more wealth than most Americans. Why do you find taxing someone after they are dead in no longer in need of the money morally reprehensible? Trust fund babies are not something you want to encourage in society.



Who defines what the "proper role of government" is? Also, I have to lol at 40% being considered a high tax rate on upper incomes.
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so you think the purpose of taxation is to prevent some from having "far more wealth" than others?

and I love the parasitic argument of "they are dead they don't need it"

why don't you pay 40%
 
Thrilla said:
that's not entirely true... Socialist love inheritance taxes because they love freedom


specifically, the freedom to steal other peoples money. ;)
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Social liberalism depends on other people's money.
 
TurtleDude said:
remind me of his role as a constitutional scholar. they sure didn't put that into the document
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So Ben Franklin thought that property ownership was a power of the state? So much for that Life, Liberty and Property jazz, huh?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Watched an interview with a Tea Party "leader" earlier tonight. He kept up bringing up the point that the Tea Party is "against crony capitalism". That got me thinking, isnt the tea party itself a astro turf movement that is funded by crony capitalists such as the Koch Bros. So, Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?
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Since it's legal to create political groups and to donate to them. I'd say no...Just because we may not like them gives us no right to judge. There is a super pac on Kickstarter right now that claims to be the super pac to end all super pacs. If I donated to them, I'd be very anxious as to where my money is actually going and what they plan to do to end all other super pacs... It sounds very fishy to me. At least with the Tea Party, you know what issues they support.

I personally do not donate to any political advocacy groups or populists movements because I do not know what exactly they do with my money. Even with the Tea Party, I'm not sure exactly what causes this money could go to since I don't agree with most of what the Tea Party says I would never donate to them. I do support limited taxes but not anti-abortion, so the money may go to anti-abortion causes which is NOT what I want.
 
American said:
Social liberalism depends on other people's money.
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well, a portion of it.. sure ( the part about government having the primary role in addressing poverty, education, healthcare, etc)

another portion of social liberalism simply requires other people to mind their own business.

it hard, sometimes, to reconcile the two "portions", though.... the application of force/coercion across multiple issues isn't very consistent.
 
Thrilla said:
it hard, sometimes, to reconcile the two "portions", though.... the application of force/coercion across multiple issues isn't very consistent.
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Yes, it's hard to understand that different situations require different solutions.

Take obesity and malnutrition. How can more food be good for some people but bad for others? And at the same time? :screwy

It makes no sense!!
 
sangha said:
The part of the constitution which grants them the power to tax has already been pointed out to you
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Did you even read what Franklin wrote?
 
sangha said:
Yes, it's hard to understand that different situations require different solutions.

Take obesity and malnutrition. How can more food be good for some people but bad for others? And at the same time? :screwy

It makes no sense!!
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kill that strawman! ... kill it dead!
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Watched an interview with a Tea Party "leader" earlier tonight. He kept up bringing up the point that the Tea Party is "against crony capitalism". That got me thinking, isnt the tea party itself a astro turf movement that is funded by crony capitalists such as the Koch Bros. So, Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?
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Media Matters is funded by an ex-Nazi and a convict.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Anyways. Seems pretty clear to me that the Tea Party movement itself is funded by "crony capitalists". Dont know how you can get around that.
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What was the purpose of your poll then?
 
There is no doubt about it. In the three years I worked in Lansing at the capitol building, every time the tea party faction rallied, there were always prominent signs for Americans for Prosperity and other known right corporate political groups.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Watched an interview with a Tea Party "leader" earlier tonight. He kept up bringing up the point that the Tea Party is "against crony capitalism". That got me thinking, isnt the tea party itself a astro turf movement that is funded by crony capitalists such as the Koch Bros. So, Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?
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From what I understand, the Tea Party is funded primarily by big bucks multi-millionaires who want the lowest possible taxes. However membership is made up primarily of people who in 2008 highly trusted talk-radio pundits, etc. frightened into thinking Obama was black-nationalist radical, closet Muslim, terrorist friend and supporter in the midst of the War of Terror, communist, socialist, racist who has a deep seeded hatred for America, the US Military and white people.
 
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