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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why is it immoral

    1) they no longer are using government services so why should they pay any more taxes
    So? This shouldn't be the basis for how we tax. The poor are obviously going to need to use more government services than the rich. Does that mean the poor should pay a higher tax rate than the rich?

    2) they have already paid far far more taxes than other citizens
    So? They still have much more money than most Americans, rendering the point moot.

    3) the government isn't entitled to it
    As opposed to the trust fund babies who are going to receive the money otherwise?

    4) it is the right of the property owner to determine what happens with his wealth after he dies
    People also have a right to control their own income. That doesn't mean they have a right to control all of their income, hence the income tax.

    why don't you pay 40% and then tell me how its not a problem
    If I was rich enough to pay 40% in taxes, I'd be far better off than I am now after taxes, so I'm pretty sure I'd be fine.

    everyone should pay the same rate so people like you won't be bought by promises from pimps that they will merely jack up the rates on the "wealthy" to buy your vote
    I fail to see why you think that will solve the problem you perceive here. If there was a flat rate, even more politicians will be campaigning on raising taxes on the rich than they are now.
    Social democrat is no longer an accurate description of my views.

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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    death is what triggers the tax.
    Wrong. Inheritances are what triggers the tax. When people die without leaving an inheritance, there is no tax.

    Several founders might have-they just didn't put it in the framework of government
    Again, that part of the constitution has already been pointed out to you
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    So? This shouldn't be the basis for how we tax. The poor are obviously going to need to use more government services than the rich. Does that mean the poor should pay a higher tax rate than the rich?



    So? They still have much more money than most Americans, rendering the point moot.



    As opposed to the trust fund babies who are going to receive the money otherwise?



    People also have a right to control their own income. That doesn't mean they have a right to control all of their income, hence the income tax.



    If I was rich enough to pay 40% in taxes, I'd be far better off than I am now after taxes, so I'm pretty sure I'd be fine.



    I fail to see why you think that will solve the problem you perceive here. If there was a flat rate, even more politicians will be campaigning on raising taxes on the rich than they are now.
    1) if the poor were taxed more, than perhaps they might stop voting for big spenders

    2) ideally you should what you pay for what you use and not demand others be tasked with supporting your "needs"

    I don't agree with "From those according to how much they have" we don't do it with other services

    3) the person entitled to make a decision is the person who owns the wealth. There is no requirement they give it to the children but if they do, its because it is their right-rather than the decision of parasitic envious losers

    4) there is no sound argument that the rich should be subjected to more and more taxes just because the envious have more votes

    5) easy to say until you start paying that amount

    6) if someone campaigned on raising everyone's rates-chances they would be thrown out of office

    that is the point-the system right now encourages the many to vote for pimps who are going to spend the public founds on the many in trade for votes and make a minority pay the bill

    the only way to shrink government-other than appointing judges who take the 10A seriously, is to make everyone suffer higher taxes when the government grows



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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Wrong. Inheritances are what triggers the tax. When people die without leaving an inheritance, there is no tax.
    the tax applies when you die*.........it used to be [before it was changed by congress a few years back] to be 1.2 million was the limit, and the tax was 55%

    *because the property that person owns has to go somewhere....and it will be taxed.

    I believe the cut-off is about 5.3 million today


    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Again, that part of the constitution has already been pointed out to you
    there are no taxes on the people in the constitution of the founders.
    Last edited by Master PO; 07-13-14 at 04:13 PM.

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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Wrong. Inheritances are what triggers the tax. When people die without leaving an inheritance, there is no tax.



    Again, that part of the constitution has already been pointed out to you
    semantics based on a desire to make the death tax sound better. An inheritance tax is paid by the heirs so you are wrong

    again a stupid argument-you are confusing the power to do something with the desire that the power be used that way



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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You said "wealth confiscation was not in their plans". The problem is, it was
    it was part of their plan?....

    tell us all about the founders wealth confiscation plans they implemented.. try to be specific.

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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Wrong. Inheritances are what triggers the tax. When people die without leaving an inheritance, there is no tax.



    Again, that part of the constitution has already been pointed out to you
    and we all know death has nothing to do with inheritances

    good lord

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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    semantics based on a desire to make the death tax sound better. An inheritance tax is paid by the heirs so you are wrong

    again a stupid argument-you are confusing the power to do something with the desire that the power be used that way
    I have proven that the power is in the constitution, and that founders desired that the power be used that way
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it was part of their plan?....

    tell us all about the founders wealth confiscation plans they implemented.. try to be specific.
    I have already posted quotes from Jefferson and Franklin that describe their ideas. You can also read Thom Paines "Rights on Man"

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    and we all know death has nothing to do with inheritances

    good lord
    Death isn't taxed. Inheritances are
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I have proven that the power is in the constitution, and that founders desired that the power be used that way
    No you haven't

    what you have tried to establish is that

    1) the constitution granted the federal government power to tax something

    a) it never stated it applied to individual citizens and certainly not their wealth

    2) there are no documents that suggest that a majority of the founders intended a death/estate tax be imposed at a federal level


    the fact that no such death tax was enacted for decades after the founders died is pretty strong proof



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