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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    did I say progressive taxes were foreign to the founders?

    no, I did not.
    You said "wealth confiscation was not in their plans". The problem is, it was
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The part of the constitution which grants them the power to tax has already been pointed out to you

    and unlike the other party, I suspect you understand that that is very different then claiming that the founders supported a death tax



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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you think the purpose of taxation is to prevent some from having "far more wealth" than others?
    There are many purposes of taxation, that being one. Why do you find it immoral to tax someone after they have passed away? The inheritance tax is one of the most moral taxes there is, because taxing the dead is most certainly preferable to taxing the living.

    and I love the parasitic argument of "they are dead they don't need it"
    Please explain to me why someone who is dead needs money more than someone who is living.

    why don't you pay 40%
    I don't understand what you mean by this. Can you rephrase it?
    Social democrat is no longer an accurate description of my views.

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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    There are many purposes of taxation, that being one. Why do you find it immoral to tax someone after they have passed away? The inheritance tax is one of the most moral taxes there is, because taxing the dead is most certainly preferable to taxing the living.



    Please explain to me why someone who is dead needs money more than someone who is living.



    I don't understand what you mean by this. Can you rephrase it?
    why is it immoral

    1) they no longer are using government services so why should they pay any more taxes

    2) they have already paid far far more taxes than other citizens

    3) the government isn't entitled to it

    4) it is the right of the property owner to determine what happens with his wealth after he dies

    why don't you pay 40% and then tell me how its not a problem

    everyone should pay the same rate so people like you won't be bought by promises from pimps that they will merely jack up the rates on the "wealthy" to buy your vote



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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    That was pretty obvious when they got all bent out of shape over inheritance taxes that only apply to multi-millionaires. They are pretty constantly in favor of oligarchy and aristocracy. It's un-American.
    this is not true, a person can own a farm, of hundreds of acres, have farm equipment, and live stock, plus the house on the farm, but the farmer cannot be rich in the sense of ready cash.

    so when the owner dies the federal government confiscates 55% of that wealth, and that's American?

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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    there are no direct taxes on the people, in article 1 section 8 of the constitution.

    those taxes are placed on states, not the people.

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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and unlike the other party, I suspect you understand that that is very different then claiming that the founders supported a death tax
    There are no death taxes, and several Founders explicitly supported inheritance taxes.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There are no death taxes, and several Founders explicitly supported inheritance taxes.
    its silly to pretend that the term "inheritance tax" is more accurate than death tax and none of the founders supported the welfare socialism perpetrated by the federal government today


    if there were no income tax, there might be an argument for the death or estate tax. since there is, there is no sound argument for something that is merely a surcharge on the top payers. its a sop to the envious that pimps in office use to pander



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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its silly to pretend that the term "inheritance tax" is more accurate than death tax and none of the founders supported the welfare socialism perpetrated by the federal government today


    if there were no income tax, there might be an argument for the death or estate tax. since there is, there is no sound argument for something that is merely a surcharge on the top payers. its a sop to the envious that pimps in office use to pander
    Since death isn't taxed, and the inheritances are taxed, inheritance taxes are both the official and the appropriate term for them

    And several Founders supported inheritance taxes and welfare for the poor. In fact, welfare was the exact purpose they proposed for the funds generated by inheritance taxes.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Since death isn't taxed, and the inheritances are taxed, inheritance taxes are both the official and the appropriate term for them

    And several Founders supported inheritance taxes and welfare for the poor. In fact, welfare was the exact purpose they proposed for the funds generated by inheritance taxes.
    death is what triggers the tax. Several founders might have-they just didn't put it in the framework of government

    and people who pay the most income taxes shouldn't be the only group hit with this abomination.

    some have argued maybe only the lower classes should pay a death tax since during their lifetime they are consuming more than they pay for. there is no sound reason-other than the fact that those who don't pay death taxes have more votes than the top 1%-for this surcharge. Its vastly wasteful of resources. given the rich pay far far more than their fair share, its time to end this idiocy



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