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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    True, but neither you nor td are real Libertarians; you're conservatives, and conservatives have always been opposed to unconditional cuts to payroll taxes. . .

    Top Republican opposes extending U.S. payroll tax cut | Reuters

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/19/us...pagewanted=all

    The only time GOP leaders have supported such "cuts" is when they aren't tax cuts but rather bundled w/other costly corporate-welfare programs that effectively negate the savings from the tax cuts.
    are you trying to say that "real libertarians" support such taxes?.. and us not supporting them means we aren't "real libertarians"?

    good luck with that argument

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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I don't think it's ok....TD doesn't think it's ok.

    seems you are faced with believing a falsehood, again.
    the biggest being the claim that she is arguing libertarian principles

    I oppose the payroll tax as a violation of the tenth amendment

    Medicaid, Medicare and SS are all areas congress really has no right to act in



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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    The Tea Party is not funded by much of anybody but the grass roots members in its various locations. How in the world could the Koch Bros. or anybody else fund an organization that the IRS won't allow to be recognized as a bonafide incorporated organization and thereby have a structure that can receive contributions? There is no national Tea Party, but only grass roots groups in various states and cities.
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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    From what I understand, the Tea Party is funded primarily by big bucks multi-millionaires who want the lowest possible taxes. However membership is made up primarily of people who in 2008 highly trusted talk-radio pundits, etc. frightened into thinking Obama was black-nationalist radical, closet Muslim, terrorist friend and supporter in the midst of the War of Terror, communist, socialist, racist who has a deep seeded hatred for America, the US Military and white people.
    You understand incorrectly.

    The Tea Party is a name assumed by unaffiliated groups that for the most part and on the local level are not funded by anyone, nor do they take up social issues or care about either party all that much. They focus on fiscal issues only and don't talk about abortion or contraception or gay marriage or anything other than fiscal issues.

    It was only when people like Sarah Palin and others tried to highjack the movement did the national perspective get skewed. There are many Super-Pacs that call themselves Tea Party groups, but are actually just Far Right Extremists trying to use the Tea Party movement as a cover. These are the ones that the Koch's and others are involved in - not the real Tea Party movement.

    In other words, there is no difference between George Soros and the Koch Brothers, at all. Both use Super-Pacs to cover their actions, which is what freedom and liberty allow.

    Now, if you want to end freedom and liberty, we can talk about that. But I doubt it would get too far.

    Both major parties have their rich daddies paying for them behind the scenes and causing trouble with lies and distortions being put on the air in TV commercials, and lobbying to make them more rich. However, both groups also do good things for the community as well, including George Soros and the the Koch Brothers.

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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its silly to pretend that the term "inheritance tax" is more accurate than death tax and none of the founders supported the welfare socialism perpetrated by the federal government today

    if there were no income tax, there might be an argument for the death or estate tax. since there is, there is no sound argument for something that is merely a surcharge on the top payers. its a sop to the envious that pimps in office use to pander
    Since death isn't taxed, and the inheritances are taxed, inheritance taxes are both the official and the appropriate term for them

    And several Founders supported inheritance taxes and welfare for the poor. In fact, welfare was the exact purpose they proposed for the funds generated by inheritance taxes.
    Inheritance tax is the appropriate term. "Death tax" is emotional hyperbole.

    Regardless what one calls it, though, it's still uncalled for as the wealth/money was... or should have been (if we didn't have such a jacked-up system)... already taxed under the original owner.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    The Tea Party is not funded by much of anybody but the grass roots members in its various locations. How in the world could the Koch Bros. or anybody else fund an organization that the IRS won't allow to be recognized as a bonafide incorporated organization and thereby have a structure that can receive contributions? There is no national Tea Party, but only grass roots groups in various states and cities.
    Atta girl... you tell 'em.

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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    oh I see, they must have simply forgot to implement these ideas into plans, and the plans into codified laws.

    they had alot to do, it must have been a simple oversight to not include these ideas
    They did implement the confiscation of wealth in the form of tax laws. Not sure why you think there was a time when the govt ran for free.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Inheritance tax is the appropriate term. "Death tax" is emotional hyperbole.

    Regardless what one calls it, though, it's still uncalled for as the wealth/money was... or should have been (if we didn't have such a jacked-up system)... already taxed under the original owner.
    you are wrong-the estate pays the tax at the death of the estate holder. Those who inherit stuff don't pay the tax. If they did, you'd be right. You are not



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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ah a self awarded victory. I deny your claims

    If you were right, the founders would have enacted a federal death tax

    they did not
    You are moving the goal posts. You were arguing that "nothing in this country's fabric was based on government grabbing private wealth"

    Since you were proven wrong, you've pretended you said something else
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is the Tea Party Funded by "Crony Capitalism"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    They did implement the confiscation of wealth in the form of tax laws. Not sure why you think there was a time when the govt ran for free.
    the main source of revenue for the feds was duties and excise taxes. not taxes on the income or property of citizens



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