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Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

Is homosexuality "normak" and "natural"?


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Give some examples of where, in ANY species, NOT reproducing has been a biological imperative. THAT is bunk.
Humans, currently. There are tonnes of contraceptives and of course many many abortions.

Seems reproduction is an inconvenient side effect of boogying down.
 
Humans, currently. There are tonnes of contraceptives and of course many many abortions.

Seems reproduction is an inconvenient side effect of boogying down.

:lamo Funny, but I'm telling you that the reason we like sex so much is so that we will reproduce. No one can actually believe that we weren't meant to reproduce can they?
 
passing genes to the next generation insures the survival of the species. Not the survival of the individual.

And should it be a biological imperative to procreate, I sure homosexuals would.

That said... I care that my children survive. If I had no children and the entire human race was about the perish, along with me, I would not rush out and impregnate a bunch of women so that the human race could survive. I wouldn't care. I doubt anybody in that situation would. The idea that we care about "humanity" surviving is stupid. We care about our families and friends... if they all die then that is that.
 
Give some examples of where, in ANY species, NOT reproducing has been a biological imperative. THAT is bunk.
Any example of overpopulation / resources that cannot meet an increase in the population and sustain it. Are you really unfamiliar with the concept of overpopulation?

Here is a basic wiki guide to it:
Overpopulation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is an example. There is a group of deer that drink from a small pond. The pond rarely is replenished with water, but the number of deer is small enough that there is no issue. There is a population boom of deer, but this results in the pond drying up. As a result, the deer are without water. They die before the water is replenished. Had the population not grown as fast, there would have been no problem.

I don't see what is so hard to understand here.
 
:lamo Funny, but I'm telling you that the reason we like sex so much is so that we will reproduce. No one can actually believe that we weren't meant to reproduce can they?
I don't think that we are meant.

All meanings seem to stem from an existential point of view.
 
He made a claim that is not true. Population control in CHINA?!! You must be joking. The population in China was screwed up BY the government trying to control the population to begin with! :roll: Man oh man! ALL species have a biological imperative to reproduce. The problem is that there have been incredible medical advances that allow us to live longer and fight off diseases and complications that killed our young, therefore we have a very robust population. It is still a biological imperative in almost all animals to reproduce. THAT is the reason why you want to have sex and why sex feels good, so that you will WANT to do it to reproduce and create more of us. Just because you aren't AWARE that is biological imperative does not negate that fact. Goodness, I think this is just common sense stuff.

The reason that it feels good is to ensure having sex.

Abortions have been around forever.
Killing unwanted children has been around forever.
Killing the child and mother of an adulterer has been around forever.
Contraception, or attempting to ward off pregnancy, has been around forever.

There is nothing about sex, in the civilized modern world, that indicates that sex is about reproduction because OTHERWISE none of the above would be happening.

Good Lord, take some biology classes and human behavior classes and learn something.

Both my point are correct.

1. You make a lot of straw man arguments.
2. The goal of humans is to survive. Kids are a by-product.

I never got anything less than a B+ in a biology class and never once did any teacher or professor utter ANYTHING about sex being solely for reproductive purposes.

That said... I care that my children survive. If I had no children and the entire human race was about the perish, along with me, I would not rush out and impregnate a bunch of women so that the human race could survive. I wouldn't care. I doubt anybody in that situation would. The idea that we care about "humanity" surviving is stupid. We care about our families and friends... if they all die then that is that.
 
That said... I care that my children survive. If I had no children and the entire human race was about the perish, along with me, I would not rush out and impregnate a bunch of women so that the human race could survive. I wouldn't care. I doubt anybody in that situation would. The idea that we care about "humanity" surviving is stupid. We care about our families and friends... if they all die then that is that.
The idea that we are driven to mate is not that we consciously care about the human race, but it is a biological mechanism for which our species has propagated and diversified.

Basically put it's an instinct.
 
The reason that it feels good is to ensure having sex.

Abortions have been around forever.
Killing unwanted children has been around forever.
Killing the child and mother of an adulterer has been around forever.
Contraception, or attempting to ward off pregnancy, has been around forever.

There is nothing about sex, in the civilized modern world, that indicates that sex is about reproduction because OTHERWISE none of the above would be happening.



Both my point are correct.

1. You make a lot of straw man arguments.
2. The goal of humans is to survive. Kids are a by-product.

I never got anything less than a B+ in a biology class and never once did any teacher or professor utter ANYTHING about sex being solely for reproductive purposes.

That said... I care that my children survive. If I had no children and the entire human race was about the perish, along with me, I would not rush out and impregnate a bunch of women so that the human race could survive. I wouldn't care. I doubt anybody in that situation would. The idea that we care about "humanity" surviving is stupid. We care about our families and friends... if they all die then that is that.

Everything we do, we do for a reason. We don't have sex just because. We have sex for a reason, and that reason is to reproduce, just like with all other animals.
 
Any example of overpopulation / resources that cannot meet an increase in the population and sustain it. Are you really unfamiliar with the concept of overpopulation?

Here is a basic wiki guide to it:
Overpopulation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is an example. There is a group of deer that drink from a small pond. The pond rarely is replenished with water, but the number of deer is small enough that there is no issue. There is a population boom of deer, but this results in the pond drying up. As a result, the deer are without water. They die before the water is replenished. Had the population not grown as fast, there would have been no problem.

I don't see what is so hard to understand here.

Like I said, overpopulation is due to advances in medical science that allow us to have much longer life spans and have less maternal/fetal natural deaths. This does not negate the fact that we have sex to reproduce. We don't REALIZE this, but that is why we have sex.
 
The idea that we are driven to mate is not that we consciously care about the human race, but it is a biological mechanism for which our species has propagated and diversified.

Basically put it's an instinct.

Why do you think most men want to sleep with a LOT of women? It is so that they can be guaranteed to spread their seed. It is all instinctual.

Also, men are sexually attracted to good-looking women. Why? Because good looks are an outside measure of healthiness. Again, these are instinctual behaviors.
 
No. The ultimate goal of a species is to survive, not to reproduce.

Which we accomplish by reproducing. :roll:

This isn't exactly rocket science here. If there aren't any offspring. There isn't a species to begin with.

If overpopulation is an issue, and if scarce resources cannot support a large number of additional members, gay members would serve a vital role of limiting population growth.

Then homosexuality would increase in proportion to population size. It doesn't.

It was a statistical anomaly when our numbers were small. It is still an anomaly today.
 
Humans, currently. There are tonnes of contraceptives and of course many many abortions.

Seems reproduction is an inconvenient side effect of boogying down.

Introducing artificial chemicals into the mix doesn't change the biological purpose of the act.

You can take pills to keep you from gaining weight after eating as well. It doesn't mean that nutrition isn't still the primary reason why we eat in the first place.
 
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That said... I care that my children survive. If I had no children and the entire human race was about the perish, along with me, I would not rush out and impregnate a bunch of women so that the human race could survive. I wouldn't care. I doubt anybody in that situation would. The idea that we care about "humanity" surviving is stupid. We care about our families and friends... if they all die then that is that.

The simple answer here is that nature just isn't that efficient.

Genes, in at least some fashion, want to perpetuate themselves. For whatever reason, they always have, and they always will.

However, this doesn't mean that they we, as organisms, are consciously aware of that fact. It is hardwired into us as a matter of basic instinct instead.

When you alter the environmental circumstances those instincts were adapted to recognize (by adding artificial birth control into the mix, for instance), the system simply doesn't know how to react.

As far as your body is concerned, it is doing its part simply by having sex. It doesn't know that the act has basically been rendered futile by the usage of condoms, the pill, or whatever else.
 
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I don't hear about spousal abuse nearly as much. There is a risk of making people insensitive to your cause if cried about too often. Never has society been more accepting of alternative sexual orientations and yet louder and louder the chant becomes. I have a neighbor who's an older gay man and whenever people start to bring up sex in conversation he disappears. I asked him, why does that bother you and he said, I'd rather be liked for my personality, not some private part of my life that I have no choice over. I asked aren't you sensitive to the acceptance of the gay community and he replied, only when there's actual discrimination, like fighting for SSM. The constant bleating of the congregation for everyone to love their gayness is asinine, as much as religious people trying to force me to love their beliefs.

I'm not sure if anyone addresses this later, but of course one reason why there is so much acceptance currently is because of the decades of loud chanting

And your experience with your gay neighbor isn't surprising in the least. My gay brother RARELY discusses political or social issues related to homosexuality, and then only when it affects him. I'd guess that's how the vast majority of homosexuals live their lives - not on a crusade, but just going about their business. So your beef is with a relative handful of activists. But that's what activists DO. I'm sick of hearing about guns. Goodness, can't the 2nd Amendment freaks just shut up until someone does come and take their guns? There has been a nonstop orgy of gun buying under Obama, there have never been more guns in circulation. What are they whining about??!!! Etc. I hope the point is clear.
 
I'm not sure if anyone addresses this later, but of course one reason why there is so much acceptance currently is because of the decades of loud chanting

And your experience with your gay neighbor isn't surprising in the least. My gay brother RARELY discusses political or social issues related to homosexuality, and then only when it affects him. I'd guess that's how the vast majority of homosexuals live their lives - not on a crusade, but just going about their business. So your beef is with a relative handful of activists. But that's what activists DO. I'm sick of hearing about guns. Goodness, can't the 2nd Amendment freaks just shut up until someone does come and take their guns? There has been a nonstop orgy of gun buying under Obama, there have never been more guns in circulation. What are they whining about??!!! Etc. I hope the point is clear.

Well, guns have always been pretty much accepted until just recent history. MOST men in the old days carried a weapon. That was the norm.
 
Every culture that experiences a decrease in the procreation imperative i.e reproduce or die, experiences an increase in deviant sexual behavior. Sex is for procreation and when the procreation imperative is strong its good that sex feels good.

The human body doesn't adapt to a lessening of the imperative by decreasing the pleasure of sex. Thats not how the body works. The mind however, does adapt and the culture follows.



I don't hear about spousal abuse nearly as much. There is a risk of making people insensitive to your cause if cried about too often. Never has society been more accepting of alternative sexual orientations and yet louder and louder the chant becomes. I have a neighbor who's an older gay man and whenever people start to bring up sex in conversation he disappears. I asked him, why does that bother you and he said, I'd rather be liked for my personality, not some private part of my life that I have no choice over. I asked aren't you sensitive to the acceptance of the gay community and he replied, only when there's actual discrimination, like fighting for SSM. The constant bleating of the congregation for everyone to love their gayness is asinine, as much as religious people trying to force me to love their beliefs.
 
Everything we do, we do for a reason. We don't have sex just because. We have sex for a reason, and that reason is to reproduce, just like with all other animals.

That is ridiculous. I had sex thousands of times with ZERO intentions of having a baby.
 
I also tend to think (and I think I might have read this somewhere and it makes sense) that because children tend to be ANNOYING - LOL - sex feels good and we want to have sex so that we WILL reproduce regardless. Abortions and BC are just methods we use to prevent having the children, but it still does not negate the fact that we were designed to WANT to have sex so that we will reproduce in spite of the annoying children. :lol: J/K, personally I LOVE children, but apparently a lot of people here do not.
 
That is ridiculous. I had sex thousands of times with ZERO intentions of having a baby.

Have you even read my links or posts? Just because you don't realize it does not mean it is not a biological imperative because it is. Without it, human beings would have died out LONG ago. Sex feels good so that you will want to do it in order to reproduce.
 
That is ridiculous. I had sex thousands of times with ZERO intentions of having a baby.

It doesn't matter. The only reason you're driven to have sex in the first place is because it serves a reproductive function.

Without that, sex wouldn't exist.
 
I also tend to think (and I think I might have read this somewhere and it makes sense) that because children tend to be ANNOYING - LOL - sex feels good and we want to have sex so that we WILL reproduce regardless. Abortions and BC are just methods we use to prevent having the children, but it still does not negate the fact that we were designed to WANT to have sex so that we will reproduce in spite of the annoying children. :lol: J/K, personally I LOVE children, but apparently a lot of people here do not.

Just think about what you women go through to get those little buggers out into the world.

Nature's got to trick you into fooling around enough to get pregnant in the first place somehow, even in spite of knowing what it leads to. :lol:
 
Just think about what you women go through to get those little buggers out into the world.

Nature's got to trick you into fooling around enough to get pregnant in the first place somehow, even in spite of knowing what it leads to. :lol:

True. Child birthing is not the most pleasant experience, that's for sure. :lol:
 
People have been screwing literally anything and everything since the dawn of mankind so in my opinion, its all natural and normal. What people do in the privacy of their own homes is none of my business and it shouldnt be the government's business either.
 
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