View Poll Results: Is homosexuality "normak" and "natural"?

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  • Homosexuality is normal

    68 47.22%
  • Homosexuality is not normal

    46 31.94%
  • Homosexuality is natural

    92 63.89%
  • Homosexuality is not natural

    19 13.19%
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    12 8.33%
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Is condesension all you've got?


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    so you're saying that you being irritated by their efforts to be recognized and treated equally isn't an emotional response?

    Why should it bother anyone how much noise someone chooses to make over an issue they are passionate about unless it the issue it's that person finds unsettling. It makes no sense
    Is condescension all I have? No, sometimes it rains...lol

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    No, thats silly. Even if homosexuality is a "defect" by your definition, the overriding value is people making their own decisions and not try to be "treated" or "prevented".


    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    The ultimate goal in handling defects should be treatment and prevention, not "tolerance."

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Is condescension all I have? No, sometimes it rains...lol

    I get irritated by anyone that jumps up and down in front of me all day. You would too.
    You must not be a parent
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    As long as left handers don't want to get married like normal people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    This is actually pretty simple to answer. Homosexuality is both normal and natural, for homosexuals. It's really that simple. Just as writing with your left had is both normal and natural if a person is left handed.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    so what is the harm in homosexuality in your opinion. I'm sure you've told me before and I'm not remembering. Recap please


    I don't think this statement is true with regard to homosexuality
    Homosexuals, on an instinctual level, are driven to seek out sexual activity which is contrary to (and, in at least half of all cases, even somewhat dangerous and unsanitary to the design of) human biology, and human sexuality's evolutionary goal.

    As I have already pointed out, this is certainly an "abnormality" which can be shown to not serve any readily apparent or useful purpose. Whether it is "harmful" or not, however, is something of a matter of perspective.

    The "sex is always desirable, and it'd be great if we could all live in a 24/7 orgy like human Bonobos" crowd think it's just fine, and even argue that the rest of us shouldn't be afraid to get in on the action every now and then. The more practical among us think it is a bit of a waste of time and resources at best, and a rather messy one at that.

    However, one could argue much the same about many other anomalous conditions.

    Other than stunted physiques and poor social skills, can dwarfism or autism really be said to cause all that much immediately pressing "harm?"

    Would you seek to "cure" or prevent them anyway if you had the power? I would.
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 07-12-14 at 07:03 PM.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    You must not be a parent
    Parents like that? I doubt it.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Homosexuality is not a moral or immoral concept. In the same way having black or white skin doesn't make one moral or immoral. It's irrelevant to the discussion. All that matters is does homosexuality cause harm and that's a question that has long since been answered. No It does not.

    You can be straight and immoral - you can be straight and moral. you can be gay and immoral - you can be gay and moral. Sexuality has nothing to do with morality.
    Gay sex is unnatural and immoral.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    It's nobodies business what other people's sexual preference's are...ANY kind of sex between sane, consenting adults is fine.

    Just as any two (or more?) sane, consenting adults should be able to marry.


    As for what is considered 'normal' or 'natural'?

    Couldn't give a sh!t.
    Last edited by DA60; 07-12-14 at 06:54 PM.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Defects cause some form of harm, or simple abnormality which is non-advantageous. Think of things like Autism, Down Syndrome, Bi-Polar Disorder, or Dwarfism, for instance.

    If such conditions could be "cured" in some sense, or prevented from occurring outright, most people would support doing so.
    Are they harmful? It depends on the "condition". You'd have to ask those who have experienced them. I suspect most dwarves might tell you they wish they had been born "normal", though I bet some wouldn't. Then again I can't say I've ever known a dwarf.

    Unfortunately, I doubt those with down syndrome are capable of truly understanding the meaning of the question. Probably the same for autism spectrum.

    For homosexuality I think it's even less clear that it's harmful. I know many gays are content with their sexuality. Others might regret their orientation, but I would wager that's mostly a result of living in a society that, to some degree, isn't fully accepting of it. But if that's the case the solution isn't necessarily to prevent homosexuality but perhaps for society to become more accepting.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Parents like that? I doubt it.
    Who said anything about liking it?
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