View Poll Results: Is homosexuality "normak" and "natural"?

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  • Homosexuality is normal

    68 47.22%
  • Homosexuality is not normal

    46 31.94%
  • Homosexuality is natural

    92 63.89%
  • Homosexuality is not natural

    19 13.19%
  • Other/unsure

    12 8.33%
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Thread: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yes.

    How many real homosexuals have you personally known and have been close to for many years? If you have really known such people, you'd know that homosexuality is not a choice - someone doesn't wake up one day and say, "gee, today I think I'll turn gay!"
    I haven't claimed it to be a choice. What can choice tell us about whether something is normal or natural?

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    What's more, it's not like either one way or the other - like all other human traits, it's a matter of degree.
    I'm not sure that's true, but again I don't see the relevance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You might not like hearing all that...but homosexuality has been around as long as there's been humans.
    Perhaps homosexual behavior, but not homosexual identification. That's a fairly modern invention.

    I am a strong Christian - but I also cannot deny the obvious scientific fact.
    What obvious scientific fact would that be?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I haven't claimed it to be a choice. What can choice tell us about whether something is normal or natural?


    I'm not sure that's true, but again I don't see the relevance.


    Perhaps homosexual behavior, but not homosexual identification. That's a fairly modern invention.


    What obvious scientific fact would that be?
    If homosexuality is not a choice, if someone is born that way - as is becoming more and more accepted in the scientific community - then how can it not be called "natural"? And FYI, homosexuality has been seen as 'normal' for a long, long time. Read "Xenophon" sometime. Prejudice against homosexuality has been around every bit as long - read the Bible sometime. And when you do, pay attention to Jeremiah 8, wherein he castigates the scribes for inserting their own prejudices into Scripture.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    I would relish your privacy. Instead we get the debased gay pride parades and all the debauchery that goes along with the movement.
    Not all gay people attend, or even support, those types of events. I certainly don't.

    OH, and "debauchery?" That's just personal opinion. Personally, I find judgmental people to be the worst form of debauchery. But, hey, to each their own.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Koros View Post
    Personally, I find judgmental people to be the worst form of debauchery..
    That's pretty judgmental of you, isn't it?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    That's pretty judgmental of you, isn't it?
    Oh, look, he thinks he's clever!

    There is a difference between your style of judgmental attitude (i.e. "'dem darn gays are muckin' up our good ole society, makin' us not be bigots no more"), and mine (i.e. "Judging an entire subculture because you don't understand them, and have no desire to understand them, makes you both a fool and a bigot.")
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Koros View Post
    Oh, look, he thinks he's clever!

    There is a difference between your style of judgmental attitude (i.e. "'dem darn gays are muckin' up our good ole society, makin' us not be bigots no more"), and mine (i.e. "Judging an entire subculture because you don't understand them, and have no desire to understand them, makes you both a fool and a bigot.")
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Since homosexuality pre-dates religious texts saying it's a sin, I'd have to say yes, it's normal and natural.

    I don't see this as helping the cause though. In the end it doesn't matter whether it's natural/normal or a choice. In the USA and most of the first world, we are to have a choice about anything that doesn't directly harm others. Whose hole a man puts his penis, and who a woman gives access to her vagina is not hurting anyone else. If those that choose to remain within their gender sexually, want to create a committed and long term life together, that's a benefit to society, not a hindrance and should be regaled.

    The reason I don't see the nature aspect being a good one is that murder and stealing and torture and many other behaviors that I'd surely not like to see legalized are also entirely natural for some.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Rape is natural too.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Several species of animal exhibits homosexuality. Only one exhibits homophobia. Just like several species of animal exhibit sexual harassment, but only one bitch goes crying to human resources.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    In your dreams, Koros. Tell it to someone who believes you.
    So, most everyone else on the site..or, at least those who can read and can compare your posts to mine.
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