View Poll Results: Is homosexuality "normak" and "natural"?

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  • Homosexuality is normal

    68 47.22%
  • Homosexuality is not normal

    46 31.94%
  • Homosexuality is natural

    92 63.89%
  • Homosexuality is not natural

    19 13.19%
  • Other/unsure

    12 8.33%
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean007 View Post
    Keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel better. As I said previously, I think the primary reason why anti-gay extremists hate homosexuality so much is because it allows for having sex without the unwanted burden of reproduction, the same reason why anti-contraception extremists hate birth control and want to restrict women's access to it.

    Whether anti-gay or anti-contraception, the extremists seem to have the ridiculous belief that sex is only acceptable if the unwanted burden of reproduction is attached. Thankfully, it isn't up to YOU to decide that.
    Nope, that's not it. It's because it's wrong - a sin, and sin- especially when it's defended and celebrated - brings the disfavor of God on men and nations.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Nope, that's not it. It's because it's wrong - a sin, and sin- especially when it's defended and celebrated - brings the disfavor of God on men and nations.
    That is your opinion and I guess for you personally a fact. But your personal belief is just that, a believe built on the opinions of people from centuries ago and that those people thought like that is one thing, but people today should/ought to know better.

    Being gay is not a sin, you can think living a gay style is sinful but the "being gay" is not sinful, it is natural for those people and normal for those people. Gays have been persecuted for centuries, even though the people who judged them are doing this against the thoughts of the man the claim to be following (Christ) who spoke of not judging others.

    There are several comments about judging but I feel that most self described Christians love to judge the faults of others in a way that I do not think corresponds with the message that god is love and to 'love thigh neighbor'. Isn't the only real judge god himself? I doubt he wants his minions to do the judging and the punishing and persecuting for him.

    Also, just because you have your faith does not make you god all mighty. People who are gay may not see it as a sin at all, not everybody lives according to your religion and your laws of life.

    Only things that are a crime are wrong, that is a quantifiable fact. And even though you think that being gay is wrong and sinful, does not make it so for many others.

    And for them celebrating? Why not, they have been hiding themselves out of fear for the persecutors, judges among men and the executioners/violence perpetrators among men for centuries and centuries. Even now the sick and twisted anti-gay forces spread their vile evil and their disgusting twisted morality, luring gay men to then be exposed online and tortured in the process, all in the name of religion. So I have no problem with them (from time to time) celebrating their "freedom".

    And anti-gay sentiments and opinions is exactly why we need to defend them, because if god truly made all human beings then he also made gay human being (if you believe that god made all of mankind), or if you believe as me (non-religious) that evolution made us humans what we are and part of that humanity is gays, and they are just as normal as every other person on this planet..
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    What's this "we," you Onanist? I wear rubber gloves in the shower.


    lol

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    I think twin studies can help explain this. Sharing genes makes it more likely is all. Likewise, i'd think a clone of a hetero could turn out homo, if the womb environment triggered that.
    Yea one issue would be that twins share the same womb environment when developing.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Liévin View Post
    The most common argument would be that it is both normal and natural:

    i. Normal because it is found and accepted by many cultures in remote regions, around the world, and;

    ii. Natural because it is found in many different species in nature.

    Neither i nor ii imply that it is moral, however. Implying that either i or ii justifies homosexuality as an act is a large fallacy.
    That is fine with me. Just dont enforce those morals in our laws.

    If you want to gamble, go for it. Many will view it as immoral but that is your personal choice.
    If you want to have a homosexual relationship, go for it.
    If you want to have a contract (marriage) affirming that relationship, go for it.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    That is your opinion and I guess for you personally a fact. But your personal belief is just that, a believe built on the opinions of people from centuries ago and that those people thought like that is one thing, but people today should/ought to know better.

    Being gay is not a sin, you can think living a gay style is sinful but the "being gay" is not sinful, it is natural for those people and normal for those people. Gays have been persecuted for centuries, even though the people who judged them are doing this against the thoughts of the man the claim to be following (Christ) who spoke of not judging others.

    There are several comments about judging but I feel that most self described Christians love to judge the faults of others in a way that I do not think corresponds with the message that god is love and to 'love thigh neighbor'. Isn't the only real judge god himself? I doubt he wants his minions to do the judging and the punishing and persecuting for him.

    Also, just because you have your faith does not make you god all mighty. People who are gay may not see it as a sin at all, not everybody lives according to your religion and your laws of life.

    Only things that are a crime are wrong, that is a quantifiable fact. And even though you think that being gay is wrong and sinful, does not make it so for many others.

    And for them celebrating? Why not, they have been hiding themselves out of fear for the persecutors, judges among men and the executioners/violence perpetrators among men for centuries and centuries. Even now the sick and twisted anti-gay forces spread their vile evil and their disgusting twisted morality, luring gay men to then be exposed online and tortured in the process, all in the name of religion. So I have no problem with them (from time to time) celebrating their "freedom".

    And anti-gay sentiments and opinions is exactly why we need to defend them, because if god truly made all human beings then he also made gay human being (if you believe that god made all of mankind), or if you believe as me (non-religious) that evolution made us humans what we are and part of that humanity is gays, and they are just as normal as every other person on this planet..
    Thigh, what was I thinking. Please forgive my stupid sleep muddled head. It should be "love thy neighbor". Well all I can say is
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Did this about normal a few years ago, and decided it was time to try again. Was a fun and interesting thread at the time, so hopefully this will be as well. Two simple questions. Is Homosexuality "normal", and is homosexuality "natural"? If you would, please include your reasoning.

    Poll will allow multiple choices, pick a choice for the "normal" question and for the "natural" question. Poll will be up in a couple minutes.
    The fact that you need to know how each person votes demonstrates that purpose of the thread.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Nope, that's not it. It's because it's wrong - a sin, and sin- especially when it's defended and celebrated - brings the disfavor of God on men and nations.
    That's what militant religionists keep insisting, yet they -- and you -- don't have any rational basis for making that ridiculous claim. It's BELIEF, not fact, and a belief that I find quite moronic.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean007 View Post
    That's what militant religionists keep insisting, yet they -- and you -- don't have any rational basis for making that ridiculous claim. It's BELIEF, not fact, and a belief that I find quite moronic.
    What do you know, right? Nothing that I've seen.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Yea one issue would be that twins share the same womb environment when developing.
    What i meant by more likely, is one twin being gay and the other not could result from genetic differences. After all, "identical" twins are twice as likely to be discordant, yet even they don't have truly identical genes. Even so, without the requisite womb hormones, those genes might not trigger, so the brain might not develop to be wired for homosexuality, just like for non twins. With a clone, it would have the same exact genes so only womb environment would alter the developing brain from the cloned person. That's my understanding of it anyway.

    There's also other possible explanations. About 20% of identical twins receive disparate amounts of maternal blood, leading to different birth weights and such (twin to twin transfusion syndrome). Fraternal twins also don't share placentas, but that is likely not much a factor since identical twins do, yet they're twice as likely to be concordant for homosexuality.

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