View Poll Results: Is homosexuality "normak" and "natural"?

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  • Homosexuality is normal

    68 47.22%
  • Homosexuality is not normal

    46 31.94%
  • Homosexuality is natural

    92 63.89%
  • Homosexuality is not natural

    19 13.19%
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I am not pro gay pride. I am pro love. And there ain't no love or concern coming from you.
    Which is profoundly more Jesus-y than non-deities making judgments and damning people to hell.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

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    However, that doesn't change the reason why the instinctual compulsion to do all of these things exists in the first place.
    it doesn't exist for a specific outcome it exits because of a specific outcome
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post


    it doesn't exist for a specific outcome it exits because of a specific outcome
    The difference being? On any practical basis, they are the same thing.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post

    The difference being? On any practical basis, they are the same thing.
    No they are not the same. They are polar opposites. I pursue the consumption of food because it relieves the pains of hunger not because I am driven instinctively to survive. The outcome is that I survive but it does not motivate my actions, the outcome is a consequential byproduct of my pursuit to the relief from the pains of hunger but it does not consciously drive my pursuit of food. I can however as a sentient being override my impulse and select my own desired outcome.

    Again your perspective that sexual activity is ultimately motivated by some primitive instinct to procreate does not fit with why people pursue it today; in there currently evolved state of being. You are saying that sex exists for the sole purpose or procreation and that people seek it out based on that instinctive drive therefore any sexual act that is not rooted in this outcome and by your definition correct instinct of procreation is wrong but that does not fit with the reality of why today's humans pursue sexual interaction

    I say that if that instinct exists on some subconscious level it is irrelevant to what motivates or drives people to seek out sexual pleasure today.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    No they are not the same. They are polar opposites. I pursue the consumption of food because it relieves the pains of hunger not because I am driven instinctively to survive. The outcome is that I survive but it does not motivate my actions, the outcome is a consequential byproduct of my pursuit to the relief from the pains of hunger but it does not consciously drive my pursuit of food. I can however as a sentient being override my impulse and select my own desired outcome.
    Do you imagine that the hunger pains to which you refer would exist at all if your body did not require sustenance to survive in the first place?

    Given that fact, would you imagine that anything where the instinctual drive to "hunger" is concerned ultimately matters beyond the basic reality of the condition's outcome?

    I'm sorry, but, regardless of how you try to twist things here, there is really no way around intrinsic biology. "Wants" do not simply materialize out of the cosmic aether unbeckoned. They are generally driven by instinct, which is, in turn, overwhelmingly correlated with basic biological necessity.

    The influence of that instinct can be either conscious and quite blatant, or subconscious, and rather subtle. However, there can be absolutely no doubt that our actions and desires are, in fact, influenced and driven by instinct nonetheless.

    That influence exists for a reason. Our species quite literally would not be here without it.

    Again your perspective that sexual activity is ultimately motivated by some primitive instinct to procreate does not fit with why people pursue it today; in there currently evolved state of being. You are saying that sex exists for the sole purpose or procreation and that people seek it out based on that instinctive drive therefore any sexual act that is not rooted in this outcome and by your definition correct instinct of procreation is wrong but that does not fit with the reality of why today's humans pursue sexual interaction

    I say that if that instinct exists on some subconscious level it is irrelevant to what motivates or drives people to seek out sexual pleasure today.
    I take the opposite view. At the end of the day, the reasons why people may think they are pursuing sexual activity are ultimately irrelevant.

    The simple fact of the matter is that the instincts which compel human beings to indulge their sexuality in the first place only exist for one reason; procreation. They originated from that common purpose, and still work towards it even today.

    Granted, some people obviously find that biological reality to be inconvenient. In that vein, they have developed technological methods of circumventing the reproductive outcomes in which sexual activity usually results, while retaining the chemical "rewards" that come along with the process.

    To the people who make use of such technologies, I say... "Meh." Like any other vice, I suppose it's fine in moderation, so long as one approaches it with the proper attitude.

    However, either way regardless, the fact still stands that, just because modern technology allows sexual activity to be treated as nothing more than a base expression of pointless hedonistic excess, doesn't mean that it actually is. The purpose of the act remains the same as it ever was.

    It always will remain as such, regardless of whether we choose to openly acknowledge it or not.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Did this about normal a few years ago, and decided it was time to try again. Was a fun and interesting thread at the time, so hopefully this will be as well. Two simple questions. Is Homosexuality "normal", and is homosexuality "natural"? If you would, please include your reasoning.

    Poll will allow multiple choices, pick a choice for the "normal" question and for the "natural" question. Poll will be up in a couple minutes.
    Almost everyone is born with the genitalia of one gender or the other...but very rarely, one is born with genitalia of both genders. That this happens very rarely makes no difference, for all that is required is for it to happen once.

    Almost everyone is born with no tail...but there are extremely rare cases of babies born with tails. The fact that it is so incredibly rare makes no difference, for all that is required is for it to happen once.

    Almost everyone is born with the proper set of chromosomes for their particular gender, but in rare cases some are born with the set of chromosomes that are for the gender opposite of the gender they are born with. This is rare...but the rarity doesn't matter...all that is required is for it to happen once.

    On top of all that, if anyone has ever personally known for years someone who was truly homosexual - not the (apparently more common) bisexual, but the true homosexual - then that someone would know that homosexuality is not a choice - no force in the world could get that homosexual truly excited about the opposite sex.

    Therefore homosexuality is normal and natural.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Guess it's ok for you guys to tell us, in so many words, to butt out, but not the reverse.

    So like you said, it's a public forum. To which I repeat:

    Gay sex is a sin and a perversion. Gays and all other sinners need to repent (Luke 13:3) or they're eternally screwed.
    You can repeat this NONSENSE all you want. It's still nonsense all the same. IMO the only reason why anti-gay extremists hate homosexuality so much is because it's sex without the unwanted burden of reproduction. It isn't a "sin" any more than contraception, no matter what the extremists keep insisting.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I am not pro gay pride. I am pro love. And there ain't no love or concern coming from you.
    "Love does not rejoice in iniquity." - I Corinthians 13

    and, from Romans 13:

    "Love does a neighbor no harm" (like enticing one's neighbor into a sinful relationship for which there are negative temporal and / or eternal consequences).
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean007 View Post
    You can repeat this NONSENSE all you want. It's still nonsense all the same. IMO the only reason why anti-gay extremists hate homosexuality so much is because it's sex without the unwanted burden of reproduction. It isn't a "sin" any more than contraception, no matter what the extremists keep insisting.
    Absolute nonsense.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    "Love does not rejoice in iniquity." - I Corinthians 13

    and, from Romans 13:

    "Love does a neighbor no harm" (like enticing one's neighbor into a sinful relationship for which there are negative temporal and / or eternal consequences).
    Love thy neighbor as thy loves thyself. (Do not be a self righteous, condescending Bible thumper. Treat your fellow human beings with respect and decency.)

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