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Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

Is homosexuality "normak" and "natural"?


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...so, like being born with a tail, homosexuality is both normal and natural?
Personally I think it depends on the individual.
 
Personally I think it depends on the individual.
I definitely agree. The tail on this woman, for example, appears neither normal or natural:

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I don't think anyone can really say that homosexuality is normal or abnormal for that matter.
 
It won't be too much longer, that homosexuality's epigenetic etiology will be known, and discussable, by anyone, anywhere.

When that occurs, then post this poll again.

Then it will be an interesting thread.

Until then, it's merely the Church versus the other newer Church.

When this topic stops becoming a topic in which only the recognized Churches are allowed to participate, then we can have a real discussion on the matter.
 
I don't think anyone can really say that homosexuality is normal or abnormal for that matter.
It's certainly a minority state for humans. 5% or less I think? But that in no way determines abnormality.
 
...so, like being born with a tail, homosexuality is both normal and natural?

Yes.

How many real homosexuals have you personally known and have been close to for many years? If you have really known such people, you'd know that homosexuality is not a choice - someone doesn't wake up one day and say, "gee, today I think I'll turn gay!"

What's more, it's not like either one way or the other - like all other human traits, it's a matter of degree. Most are strictly heterosexual and a much smaller percentage are strictly homosexual, but between the two are varying degrees of bisexuals.

You might not like hearing all that...but homosexuality has been around as long as there's been humans.

I am a strong Christian - but I also cannot deny the obvious scientific fact.
 
I would relish your privacy. Instead we get the debased gay pride parades and all the debauchery that goes along with the movement.

Yeah right. If 2% of the 'movement' takes part in parades you still relish any opportunity to bash the other 98%. You won't fool me
 
Yes.

How many real homosexuals have you personally known and have been close to for many years? If you have really known such people, you'd know that homosexuality is not a choice - someone doesn't wake up one day and say, "gee, today I think I'll turn gay!"
I haven't claimed it to be a choice. What can choice tell us about whether something is normal or natural?

What's more, it's not like either one way or the other - like all other human traits, it's a matter of degree.
I'm not sure that's true, but again I don't see the relevance.

You might not like hearing all that...but homosexuality has been around as long as there's been humans.
Perhaps homosexual behavior, but not homosexual identification. That's a fairly modern invention.

I am a strong Christian - but I also cannot deny the obvious scientific fact.
What obvious scientific fact would that be?
 
I haven't claimed it to be a choice. What can choice tell us about whether something is normal or natural?


I'm not sure that's true, but again I don't see the relevance.


Perhaps homosexual behavior, but not homosexual identification. That's a fairly modern invention.


What obvious scientific fact would that be?

If homosexuality is not a choice, if someone is born that way - as is becoming more and more accepted in the scientific community - then how can it not be called "natural"? And FYI, homosexuality has been seen as 'normal' for a long, long time. Read "Xenophon" sometime. Prejudice against homosexuality has been around every bit as long - read the Bible sometime. And when you do, pay attention to Jeremiah 8, wherein he castigates the scribes for inserting their own prejudices into Scripture.
 
I would relish your privacy. Instead we get the debased gay pride parades and all the debauchery that goes along with the movement.
Not all gay people attend, or even support, those types of events. I certainly don't.

OH, and "debauchery?" That's just personal opinion. Personally, I find judgmental people to be the worst form of debauchery. But, hey, to each their own.
 
That's pretty judgmental of you, isn't it?

Oh, look, he thinks he's clever!

There is a difference between your style of judgmental attitude (i.e. "'dem darn gays are muckin' up our good ole society, makin' us not be bigots no more"), and mine (i.e. "Judging an entire subculture because you don't understand them, and have no desire to understand them, makes you both a fool and a bigot.")
 
Oh, look, he thinks he's clever!

There is a difference between your style of judgmental attitude (i.e. "'dem darn gays are muckin' up our good ole society, makin' us not be bigots no more"), and mine (i.e. "Judging an entire subculture because you don't understand them, and have no desire to understand them, makes you both a fool and a bigot.")

In your dreams, Koros. Tell it to someone who believes you.
 
Since homosexuality pre-dates religious texts saying it's a sin, I'd have to say yes, it's normal and natural.

I don't see this as helping the cause though. In the end it doesn't matter whether it's natural/normal or a choice. In the USA and most of the first world, we are to have a choice about anything that doesn't directly harm others. Whose hole a man puts his penis, and who a woman gives access to her vagina is not hurting anyone else. If those that choose to remain within their gender sexually, want to create a committed and long term life together, that's a benefit to society, not a hindrance and should be regaled.

The reason I don't see the nature aspect being a good one is that murder and stealing and torture and many other behaviors that I'd surely not like to see legalized are also entirely natural for some.
 
Several species of animal exhibits homosexuality. Only one exhibits homophobia. Just like several species of animal exhibit sexual harassment, but only one bitch goes crying to human resources.
 
In your dreams, Koros. Tell it to someone who believes you.
So, most everyone else on the site..or, at least those who can read and can compare your posts to mine. ;)
 
No, it's not.

Actually I think probably it is. Looking at the natural world, females, particularly in the mammalian world, are in fact cornered and raped. Not all and not all the time, but it is quite natural. Hell I went to the nature reserve (wetlands) about a month ago and recorded two male ducks effectively restraining a female duck while one male raped her. I thought for sure she was going drown the way the other males held her under the water for so long.
 
Actually I think probably it is. Looking at the natural world, females, particularly in the mammalian world, are in fact cornered and raped. Not all and not all the time, but it is quite natural. Hell I went to the nature reserve (wetlands) about a month ago and recorded two male ducks effectively restraining a female duck while one male raped her. I thought for sure she was going drown the way the other males held her under the water for so long.
I'm talking natural for humans, though.
 
I'm talking natural for humans, though.

Since the god of the bible effectively raped Mary, I'm pretty sure we can include humans in that as well. Now do we raise above nature for much of what's "natural," yes. Hence why I don't think worrying or even considering whether homosexuality is normal or natural should be an issue. The only issue should be whether a person's choice to engage in homosexual acts with a consenting adult harms anyone else or is anyone else's business to control.
 
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