View Poll Results: Is homosexuality "normak" and "natural"?

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  • Homosexuality is normal

    68 47.22%
  • Homosexuality is not normal

    46 31.94%
  • Homosexuality is natural

    92 63.89%
  • Homosexuality is not natural

    19 13.19%
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Argh!

    NO!!! People WANT TO DO IT because IT ****ING FEELS GOOD!!! People do not WANT TO DO IT to propagate the ****ing species!!!

    Propagating the species is the by-product.
    What they're ignoring is that we also have a biological drive to survive personally, and so mothers have been known to kill their own offspring. Humans have demonstrated all kinds of cruelty to their own children, and if "good of the species" could explain all of our actions, well murder, war, and genocide wouldn't exist now would it.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    What they're ignoring is that we also have a biological drive to survive personally, and so mothers have been known to kill their own offspring. Humans have demonstrated all kinds of cruelty to their own children, and if "good of the species" could explain all of our actions, well murder, war, and genocide wouldn't exist now would it.
    This is not the norm. Most people who harm their children are suffering from mental illness of some kind. Also, NO humans are perfect. None of these things negate the basic underlying instinct to reproduce. I cannot even believe people would argue about this.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Did this about normal a few years ago, and decided it was time to try again. Was a fun and interesting thread at the time, so hopefully this will be as well. Two simple questions. Is Homosexuality "normal", and is homosexuality "natural"? If you would, please include your reasoning.

    Poll will allow multiple choices, pick a choice for the "normal" question and for the "natural" question. Poll will be up in a couple minutes.
    Yes, obviously.

    The simple fact is that humanity is it's own creation and responsibility as are individuals. Being gay offers no real harm to others, society, children, neutrons, small goats, planets, dragons, large goats, or cowboys.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Yes, obviously.

    The simple fact is that humanity is it's own creation and responsibility as are individuals. Being gay offers no real harm to others, society, children, neutrons, small goats, planets, dragons, large goats, or cowboys.
    This is all true, and we are capable of going against our basic instincts and using our intelligence, but just like all animals, we have to reproduce in order for our species to survive.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This is all true, and we are capable of going against our basic instincts and using our intelligence, but just like all animals, we have to reproduce in order for our species to survive.
    I don't see the human population declining. We have how many billion people now?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This is all true, and we are capable of going against our basic instincts and using our intelligence, but just like all animals, we have to reproduce in order for our species to survive.
    Actually, technology is developing at such a rate that homosexual reproduction will be possible in just a few short years.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Did this about normal a few years ago, and decided it was time to try again. Was a fun and interesting thread at the time, so hopefully this will be as well. Two simple questions. Is Homosexuality "normal", and is homosexuality "natural"? If you would, please include your reasoning.

    Poll will allow multiple choices, pick a choice for the "normal" question and for the "natural" question. Poll will be up in a couple minutes.
    Normal how so? Mathematically? Or in terms of social acceptance?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    That sounds identical to my uncle's situation. However, the idea of him "turning gay" is absurd, sorry. That's most likely his ex-wife's explanation to avoid embarrassment. Just cause he married, went to church, and had 3 kids he wasn't gay? Well so did my uncle, and he insists he was gay the entire time and took this path only cause it was (still in this state) the only means to marry and have kids, and for career purposes.
    I dunno, I knew the guy for years and there was no indication he ever was gay, we were always out going hitting on girls back in the day. Perhaps he may have turned bisexual or something but I believe that someone can change their sexual orientation.

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    Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Here's a question. What use is there for caring about natural? If we stuck to the natural ten there would be no internet. Avoiding the natural has been a cause of great progress for humanity
    Last edited by tacomancer; 07-15-14 at 11:05 AM.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This is not the norm. Most people who harm their children are suffering from mental illness of some kind. Also, NO humans are perfect. None of these things negate the basic underlying instinct to reproduce. I cannot even believe people would argue about this.
    Look, there's also a human instinct to personally survive and in times thru human history when food was scarce or the kid was deformed and in a war obsessed culture, they would often be left to die or even used as food themselves. Anthropologists like Birdsell calculate that at least 15% were killed (and 50% of females) until agriculture changed. There's even been cultures that sacrificed newborns to their gods, hardly a necessity. Infanticide has gone on forever mostly because babies aren't easy to care for.

    The instinct to reproduce, if you're going to argue its sole purpose is to propagate the species, is what's imperfect and varies and in conflict with other instincts. It is not like the instinct to breath, else people and animals would be screwing at every opportunity.
    Last edited by chromium; 07-15-14 at 11:27 AM.

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