View Poll Results: Is homosexuality "normak" and "natural"?

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  • Homosexuality is normal

    68 47.22%
  • Homosexuality is not normal

    46 31.94%
  • Homosexuality is natural

    92 63.89%
  • Homosexuality is not natural

    19 13.19%
  • Other/unsure

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Thread: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Actually it is more about self gratification no matter how achieved. The culprit is "SELF" regardless where or how that gratification occurs with no intent of reproducing. "SELF" leads the way to any forms of gratification. Those without a moral compass entails a free for all. Period.
    True. However, this doesn't change the fact that there is still a definite biological and evolutionary logic as to why so many people turn towards activities like sex, substance abuse, and food for gratification of the "self," as opposed to say, staring into the sun for hours on end, or sticking their hands into meat grinders.

    Your body wants to engage in certain behaviors, as they serve a certain purpose. It rewards you for them as such.

    Likewise, it punishes you for other behaviors which might bring about obvious harm.

    It simply happens to be the case that the system isn't foolproof, and really wasn't adapted to deal with today's world or life circumstances. For that reason, things can often have a tendency to get confused.

    A caveman simply wouldn't have had enough food on hand to become obese, for instance. Today, a great many people do, and they wind up losing control of themselves because of it.

    The same is true of sex. It is much more widely available today than in our evolutionary past, and seemingly available without consequence (of the immediate variety, anyway).

    Just like with food, a lot of people lose control of themselves and wind up getting in trouble for that exact reason.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Thats a good point. I think the modern day concept of sexual orientation isnt completely accurate- the ancient world didnt have any such distinctions (in fact the Romans had a completely different view on what sex and manliness meant). Pigeonholing somebody as gay or straight or whatever doesnt work all the time. Anectdotal: I was friends with a guy for many years and he was a devoted family man with three kids and a churchgoer, I recently called up his wife because we lost touch since I moved overseas and his wife now tells me he turned gay and they divorced. Wow.
    I guess you understand it's far more likely he was gay all along, and didn't 'turn' gay. There is still an incredible pressure to 'be' straight, especially for someone who is religious.

    I'll share my own anecdote. My brother is gay, but dated the same girl for 10 years, and married her. It didn't last long because ultimately he realized that it wasn't fair to her, or to him, but especially to their future kids, to base the marriage on a falsehood. He knew he was gay for all that time, but wanted the 'normal' life, loved his wife in many ways, and so tried for all those years to cure himself and BE straight, but ultimately decided he couldn't do it. IMO, he made the only possible moral choice by leaving his wife. The immoral choice was pretending to be straight, but that's what society expects, and it's sure what many religions would expect.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

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    Normal to me seems like a loaded term. Many people use normal to mean "moral" or something that they find socially acceptable. Normal can also mean "healthy" and it can also in a statistical sense mean "the average." In a statistical sense, homosexuality is definitely not normal--but that does not mean that homosexuality is not normal in a moral sense or a health sense, etc
    When I say "normal" I'm talking about what would be considered normal human behavior. Obviously if homosexuality was "normal" we would have died off a long time ago. That tells me that it is not necessarily normal. I certainly don't mean it in an moral sense or even a health sense. I know that gay people can be moral and healthy or not, just like straight people.

    The fact that homosexuality occurs throughout the animal kingdom and has been documented throughout human history tells me that there was at some point a biological reason for homosexuality to exist. I don't know what, and I doubt anyone will ever know. Could it have to do with overpopulation, with a small segment of the population acting as a buffer? Maybe. Others suggest that families with homosexual members had more adults per child, meaning the child would have better chances of survival with an extra adult to provide food, resources, and safety. Other theories say that homosexuality exists to protect mothers who have too many children of the same sex, and the opposite sex hormones are given to the fetus during fertilization to keep the mother healthier.
    I cannot explain why homosexuality occurs in animals, but I still don't think that is the "norm" for animals either. I don't know if there could be another reason for it to exist or not. That would be quite difficult to figure out. You could be right about the overpopulation theory for a small number of people, but if that's the case, then it hasn't really worked so far, but I guess it could be worse. Lol.

    The point is who knows. But I simply do not believe that something so widespread and consistently prevalent across species and throughout time is without biological purpose or cause.
    And you are entitled to your opinion, and I can respect that since you've been so nice and civil and polite.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Argh!

    NO!!! People WANT TO DO IT because IT ****ING FEELS GOOD!!! People do not WANT TO DO IT to propagate the ****ing species!!!

    Propagating the species is the by-product.

    ...and I would rather surf, play golf or take a warm shower now-a-days than have to deal with a woman after sex.



    Well, if you are gonna be like that then do your own damn research.
    You are looking at this in way too simple terms!

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    I don't see the point in these vague questions whose answers depend on how they're interpreted.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    True. However, this doesn't change the fact that there is still a definite biological and evolutionary logic as to why so many people turn towards activities like sex, drugs, and food for gratification of the "self," as opposed to say, staring into the sun for hours on end, or sticking their hands into meat grinders.

    Your body wants to engage in certain behaviors, as they serve a certain purpose. It rewards you for them as such.

    Likewise, it punishes you for other behaviors which might bring about obvious harm.

    It simply happens to be the case that the system isn't foolproof, and really wasn't adapted to deal with today's world. For that reason, things can often have a tendency to get confused.

    A caveman simply wouldn't have had enough food on hand to become obese, for instance. Today, a great many people do, and they wind up losing control of themselves because of it.

    Much the same is true of sex. It is much more widely available today than in our evolutionary past, and seemingly available without consequence (of the immediate variety, anyway).

    Just like with food, a lot of people lose control of themselves and wind up getting in trouble for that exact reason.
    Good post Gath. "Self" however is still the culprit. It has been from the beginning of time.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Why do you think most men want to sleep with a LOT of women? It is so that they can be guaranteed to spread their seed. It is all instinctual.

    Also, men are sexually attracted to good-looking women. Why? Because good looks are an outside measure of healthiness. Again, these are instinctual behaviors.
    I agree mostly. Mating is an instinct for all sexual creatures.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Introducing artificial chemicals into the mix doesn't change the biological purpose of the act.

    You can take pills to keep you from gaining weight after eating as well. It doesn't mean that nutrition isn't still the primary reason why we eat in the first place.
    I was simply pointing out guile.

    And for this that wish to speak about morality associated with homosexuality.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Did this about normal a few years ago, and decided it was time to try again. Was a fun and interesting thread at the time, so hopefully this will be as well. Two simple questions. Is Homosexuality "normal", and is homosexuality "natural"? If you would, please include your reasoning.

    Poll will allow multiple choices, pick a choice for the "normal" question and for the "natural" question. Poll will be up in a couple minutes.
    Born-homosexuality is not normal as only 2% of the population is gay. Likewise my left-handedness is not normal, either, as only 15% of the population is left-handed.

    Born-homosexuality is natural in that it occures without conscience intervention. That being said, many birth defects are also naturaly occuring.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    define defect
    Use a dictionary.

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