View Poll Results: Is homosexuality "normak" and "natural"?

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  • Homosexuality is normal

    68 47.22%
  • Homosexuality is not normal

    46 31.94%
  • Homosexuality is natural

    92 63.89%
  • Homosexuality is not natural

    19 13.19%
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    12 8.33%
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Thread: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    And it only "feels good" because it serves a reproductive purpose, and your genes have a vested interested in making you want to do exactly that.

    Again, regardless of how we may have interfered in the process, the simple fact of the matter is that without reproduction, there would be no sex. Reproduction is it's primary purpose.

    Frankly, judging from our out of control STD rates, it wouldn't appear that sex divorced from reproduction has been an especially positive development in human society anyway. It's a waste of time, and a rather dangerous waste of time at that.
    Actually it is more about self gratification no matter how achieved. The culprit is "SELF" regardless where or how that gratification occurs with no intent of reproducing. "SELF" leads the way to any forms of gratification. Those without a moral compass entails a free for all. Period.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Thats a good point. I think the modern day concept of sexual orientation isnt completely accurate- the ancient world didnt have any such distinctions (in fact the Romans had a completely different view on what sex and manliness meant). Pigeonholing somebody as gay or straight or whatever doesnt work all the time. Anectdotal: I was friends with a guy for many years and he was a devoted family man with three kids and a churchgoer, I recently called up his wife because we lost touch since I moved overseas and his wife now tells me he turned gay and they divorced. Wow.
    Maybe he was always gay but just was afraid to admit that to himself, or he didn't want anyone else to know about it.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Right. As a history major I have no idea about history. Most people did not CARRY guns. Gun fight deaths were around 5 deaths PER YEAR. Most people HAD guns though...
    Post me a link Mr. History Man.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It feels good so that you will reproduce.
    Tickling feels good too... so does a warm shower and stepping bare footed into horse crap/.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.
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    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Post me a link Mr. History Man.
    I remember this from a documentary or two on History Channel and from reading books pre-Internet. I have looked some and not found much and am nearing the end of my day... maybe tomorrow.
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    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Tickling feels good too... so does a warm shower and stepping bare footed into horse crap/.
    Not like sex though. AND other things feeling good is irrelevant to the fact that sex feels good so that you will want to do it to propagate the species. As Gathomas said earlier, if there was no need to reproduce, sex would serve no purpose. Pretty much ALL of our biological functions and instincts serve a purpose.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I remember this from a documentary or two on History Channel and from reading books pre-Internet. I have looked some and not found much and am nearing the end of my day... maybe tomorrow.
    Yeah sure. Okay tomorrow.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I still don't think it's "normal" though. I don't think it's bad or anything, so don't get mad. I just think that it's normal for men to desire women and vice versa because all species are meant to reproduce ultimately; if not, we would die off quickly. I'm not sure about your population control theory either. It's not out of the realm of possibility, but I think what is more likely to happen is that you eventually run out of resources and a portion of the population dies from starvation, just like what does happen with many animals whenever there is an overpopulation. It is what's happening in parts of some 3rd world countries right now as we speak.
    Normal to me seems like a loaded term. Many people use normal to mean "moral" or something that they find socially acceptable. Normal can also mean "healthy" and it can also in a statistical sense mean "the average." In a statistical sense, homosexuality is definitely not normal--but that does not mean that homosexuality is not normal in a moral sense or a health sense, etc

    The fact that homosexuality occurs throughout the animal kingdom and has been documented throughout human history tells me that there was at some point a biological reason for homosexuality to exist. I don't know what, and I doubt anyone will ever know. Could it have to do with overpopulation, with a small segment of the population acting as a buffer? Maybe. Others suggest that families with homosexual members had more adults per child, meaning the child would have better chances of survival with an extra adult to provide food, resources, and safety. Other theories say that homosexuality exists to protect mothers who have too many children of the same sex, and the opposite sex hormones are given to the fetus during fertilization to keep the mother healthier.

    The point is who knows. But I simply do not believe that something so widespread and consistently prevalent across species and throughout time is without biological purpose or cause.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Anectdotal: I was friends with a guy for many years and he was a devoted family man with three kids and a churchgoer, I recently called up his wife because we lost touch since I moved overseas and his wife now tells me he turned gay and they divorced. Wow.
    A friend of mine from another online forum did the same thing. Married, had several children, raised them, then divorced his wife for another man. He always knew, but it conflicted with what friends and family expected of him, so he tried living a straight life and was miserable. He did carry through with his commitment to raising his kids with their mother, though, and I highly respect that about him. It's really a rather sad story, but it's really nice to finally see him happy with his life.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Not like sex though. AND other things feeling good is irrelevant to the fact that sex feels good so that you will want to do it to propagate the species. As Gathomas said earlier, if there was no need to reproduce, sex would serve no purpose. Pretty much ALL of our biological functions and instincts serve a purpose.
    Argh!

    NO!!! People WANT TO DO IT because IT ****ING FEELS GOOD!!! People do not WANT TO DO IT to propagate the ****ing species!!!

    Propagating the species is the by-product.

    ...and I would rather surf, play golf or take a warm shower now-a-days than have to deal with a woman after sex.

    Yeah sure. Okay tomorrow.
    Well, if you are gonna be like that then do your own damn research.
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    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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