View Poll Results: Is homosexuality "normak" and "natural"?

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  • Homosexuality is normal

    68 47.22%
  • Homosexuality is not normal

    46 31.94%
  • Homosexuality is natural

    92 63.89%
  • Homosexuality is not natural

    19 13.19%
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Did this about normal a few years ago, and decided it was time to try again. Was a fun and interesting thread at the time, so hopefully this will be as well. Two simple questions. Is Homosexuality "normal", and is homosexuality "natural"? If you would, please include your reasoning.

    Poll will allow multiple choices, pick a choice for the "normal" question and for the "natural" question. Poll will be up in a couple minutes.
    What's a normak?? Is it something I should know about?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am not asking about morality. That is a different question and one that requires a value judgement. Normal and natural should be questions that can be answered objectively.
    Alright. I was just pointing out that recognising that homosexuality is 'normal' or 'natural' is not a step towards accepting it, but even a step back from that, considering it is 'normal' in many cultures we otherwise find repugnant morally, and natural only in that it is practiced in the wild. It is a usage of body parts in a way that nature did not intend, however, and it violates the biological function of intercourse, namely to reproduce.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    The normal and natural arguments typically arise in response to anti-SSM arguments that homosexuality is immoral because it is unnatural/non-normal. Nobody thinks that something being natural justifies its existence.
    You'd be surprised i.e: the majority of the pro-homosexual lobby. It's the most common argument for homosexuality-acceptance I've seen, and yet it's built atop an (obvious) naturalistic fallacy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    All that matters is does homosexuality cause harm and that's a question that has long since been answered. No It does not.
    Of course it does. Where should I start? The disproportionate share of homosexuals among pedophiles, disproportionate rate of a wide-range of diseases transmitted and held by homosexual men, disproportionate deviant and violent sexual fantasies? The uncomfortable fact is that it is positively linked with a large number of social pathologies, and the statistics are too emphatic to ignore.

    When supposed "private matters" effect society at large then surely it is a matter of public morality. Homosexuality is a net-loss for society and its lifestyle, and the replication of such, is against the grounding features of civilisation and pose a threat to societal institutions.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Did this about normal a few years ago, and decided it was time to try again. Was a fun and interesting thread at the time, so hopefully this will be as well. Two simple questions. Is Homosexuality "normal", and is homosexuality "natural"? If you would, please include your reasoning.

    Poll will allow multiple choices, pick a choice for the "normal" question and for the "natural" question. Poll will be up in a couple minutes.
    I struggle with these terms (normal and natural) as a basis for any discussion about human sexuality.

    Normal because it assumes that behaviors that are not "normal" (meaning not practiced by the majority) are inherently bad or wrong. I find this to be inconsistent with reality.

    As for natural, every behavior a human exhibits is natural.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Liévin View Post
    The disproportionate share of homosexuals among pedophiles, disproportionate rate of a wide-range of diseases transmitted and held by homosexual men,
    Being a homosexual does not make one a pedophile. And contracting a disease does not make one immoral. you're whole premise of morality is ridiculous. Are paramedics, heterosexuals, doctors, and nurses who contract Hiv through practice immoral?

    disproportionate deviant and violent sexual fantasies?
    Source?
    The uncomfortable fact is that it is positively linked with a large number of social pathologies, and the statistics are too emphatic to ignore.
    Source?
    When supposed "private matters" effect society at large then surely it is a matter of public morality.
    How are homosexuals effecting Society at large? How does a consensual adult relationship effect anybody but the parties involved in that relationship. You are trying to blame homosexuals for things that happen to all sexes and all orientations. And some of your claims are not even supported by evidence in the first place. STD are a result of unprotected sex, they are not a manifestation of immoral character. there have been great and noble people whom have died from sexually transmitted diseases - proof that sickness and a lapse in judgment does not a bad person make.
    Homosexuality is a net-loss for society and its lifestyle,
    Homosexuality is not a lifestyle it is a orientation. That fact that you think all homosexuals are identical to the point that you believe they all share the same lifestyle, beliefs, practices, and mannerism is a display of extreme ignorance.

    and the replication of such, is against the grounding features of civilisation and pose a threat to societal institutions.
    To bad that is an unfounded belief. It's steeped in your bias.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It would be refreshing for someone to say "like me" for who I am and let my sexuality be a non issue. It gets really tiresome for the homosexual and heterosexual crowd to constantly say, "love me for being a ....sexual!"

    Most people probably don't care as much about your orientation, as your quality of character. As for the poll, it's natural for people to practice their instinctual choice, regardless of how it's labeled.
    The problem here Grip and the reason there is so much noise is because of the people who don't think this way and the efforts that make at limiting the freedoms of the people who have a different orientation then them. It's like being tired of hearing people insist on an end to spousal abuse. It is no less just a cause or less worthy of attention because you "think" it shouldn't happen
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Liévin View Post
    Alright. I was just pointing out that recognising that homosexuality is 'normal' or 'natural' is not a step towards accepting it, but even a step back from that, considering it is 'normal' in many cultures we otherwise find repugnant morally, and natural only in that it is practiced in the wild
    Another ridiculous claim. Canada? Brazil? Netherlands? France? U.K.? Argentina? Switzerland? Iceland? etc...

    All countries that have legalized homosexuality on all fronts. Stables. First World. Unlike our country not surrounded by countries that want nothing else but to destroy them. Happy civilization. Lower crime. etc.

    But by your standards we view these countries as "repugnant"?

    And the countries that currently ban homosexuality and even exercise the death penalty as punishment for it.

    Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq, Nigeria, Uganda, India, Algeria, Syria, Egypt, Brunei... Etc.

    All third world countries, many wrecked by terrorism, constant civil unrest, constant threat of chaotic collapse, near non existent individual voice or freedom of expression. But in your mind I'm guessing these countries are some sort of Ideal utopia?

    Look your new here. You're not dealing with a bunch dumbs dumbs, you might want to up your game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Liévin View Post
    The disproportionate share of homosexuals among pedophiles,
    I am in the middle of doing housework, so if you want documentation you will have to wait till I finish, but the quoted part of your post is a myth that has been refuted by research.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Did this about normal a few years ago, and decided it was time to try again. Was a fun and interesting thread at the time, so hopefully this will be as well. Two simple questions. Is Homosexuality "normal", and is homosexuality "natural"? If you would, please include your reasoning.

    Poll will allow multiple choices, pick a choice for the "normal" question and for the "natural" question. Poll will be up in a couple minutes.
    depends on what definitions you use

    it happens and exists in nature, so i would call it natural, but I would not call it "normal" due to it only being found a small percentage of people ( it's not the "usual or average state of being")

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Being a homosexual does not make one a pedophile.
    I claimed it makes one more likely to be a pedophile. Source: The proportions of heterosexual and homos... [J Sex Marital Ther. 1992] - PubMed - NCBI

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    And contracting a disease does not make one immoral. you're whole premise of morality is ridiculous. Are paramedics, heterosexuals, doctors, and nurses who contract Hiv immoral?
    Spreading a disease that is incurable is immoral. Yes, anyone who engages in sexual activities knowing they have an incurable disease is damn immoral in my opinion. Of course maybe widespread disease doesn't concern you, I don't know.

    Sexually Transmitted Diseases in Men Who Have Sex With Men

    STI infection rates among gay men reach 'crisis' levels - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent

    Modelling the impact of HIV disease on mortality in gay and bisexual men.

    "In a major Canadian centre, life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality were to continue, we estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20 years will not reach their 65th birthday."

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Source?
    Early Onset and Deviant Sexuality in Child Molesters

    "Of our total sample, 29% reported having deviant fantasies prior to age 20, and this was most pronounced (41.1%) among those who molested the sons of other people". I advise you to read the whole thing, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    To bad that is an unfounded belief. It's steeped in your bias.
    I've posted the sources. Did you think I'd make claims without sources ?

    You're an apologist for sexual deviancy with enormous costs on society, both on the taxpayer, ethical conscious and moral fabric.

    We would say in France Il ne faut pas se fier aux apparences. I'm not sure of your intentions, but to place a niche of individual interests above the common good is treason.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    depends on what definitions you use

    it happens and exists in nature, so i would call it natural, but I would not call it "normal" due to it only being found a small percentage of people ( it's not the "usual or average state of being")
    Since your post is handy I will use it: the occurs in nature argument has a problem. We know that homosexual behavior occurs in nature, but to the best of my knowledge, we have no way to know if any animals other than humans are actually homosexual. This does not mean that homosexuality is not natural, but saying some animals exhibit the behavior is not the same thing as homosexuality the orientation.
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