View Poll Results: Is homosexuality "normak" and "natural"?

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  • Homosexuality is normal

    68 47.22%
  • Homosexuality is not normal

    46 31.94%
  • Homosexuality is natural

    92 63.89%
  • Homosexuality is not natural

    19 13.19%
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    12 8.33%
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Thread: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That is ridiculous. I had sex thousands of times with ZERO intentions of having a baby.
    It doesn't matter. The only reason you're driven to have sex in the first place is because it serves a reproductive function.

    Without that, sex wouldn't exist.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I also tend to think (and I think I might have read this somewhere and it makes sense) that because children tend to be ANNOYING - LOL - sex feels good and we want to have sex so that we WILL reproduce regardless. Abortions and BC are just methods we use to prevent having the children, but it still does not negate the fact that we were designed to WANT to have sex so that we will reproduce in spite of the annoying children. J/K, personally I LOVE children, but apparently a lot of people here do not.
    Just think about what you women go through to get those little buggers out into the world.

    Nature's got to trick you into fooling around enough to get pregnant in the first place somehow, even in spite of knowing what it leads to.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Just think about what you women go through to get those little buggers out into the world.

    Nature's got to trick you into fooling around enough to get pregnant in the first place somehow, even in spite of knowing what it leads to.
    True. Child birthing is not the most pleasant experience, that's for sure.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    People have been screwing literally anything and everything since the dawn of mankind so in my opinion, its all natural and normal. What people do in the privacy of their own homes is none of my business and it shouldnt be the government's business either.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Jerking off is not "having sex".


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That is ridiculous. I had sex thousands of times with ZERO intentions of having a baby.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    ....................
    We have a tendency to go off into the bushes. This whole discussion boils down to something much more simple than all those rambling posts.

    It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it's not the brand of sexuality that is most commonly practiced.
    It does not matter if it's done just for pleasure.
    It doesn't matter if it is not as your god intended.
    None of that matters. The only thing that matters is if it makes them happy and that it does not hurt anyone innocent. Check and check.

    Any argument anyone has with it is based purely in their own self interest because they want their world to stay tiny and strictly defined and in order to pull that off they need everyone else to be defined by the very limited terms they have allowed in that tiny little world.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am not asking about morality. That is a different question and one that requires a value judgement. Normal and natural should be questions that can be answered objectively.
    Are you sure about that one? When morality is void how can you achieve a valued judgment?

    Homosexuality has been around as long as prostitution as well as a number of other topics of sex. But without a moral compass all could be made to be "natural" or "nomak"

    edit- are you willing to go that far?
    Last edited by vesper; 07-15-14 at 12:45 AM.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TobyOne View Post
    Jerking off is not "having sex".

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    I don't know what makes people attracted to certain individuals or body types, but thinking of how some insist they only like certain races for example, social conditioning could be a factor. I don't know that it's as determined at birth as attraction to gender.
    It seems rather unlikely that it wouldn't be, especially considering how closely the human attraction to certain physical features can be shown to objective correlate with fertility and virility.

    Depends what you compare it to. Your list (dwarfism, autism) and i could add plenty others like blind or deaf, might contribute to human diversity like i argued, but those traits are what i'd call inherently harmful. They always make life more difficult and how the rest of us respond to them - no matter how kind or accepting - doesn't change that. We can work to make it less difficult, but not so it's 100% the same as being free of that condition.

    From experience i can tell you being homosexual isn't like that. Whatever difficulty comes from society not accepting it, "for no reason" i would argue - thus that is what needs to change. In a hateful environment as a minor, it was difficult but again the harm comes from others being haters. In accepting environment, it's really no more difficult. The difference between the two was vast and immediately obvious. Homophobia is what needs to be cured.
    As I said before, the question of "harm" can be rather subjective in this case.

    I've got a few conditions myself which I would have much rather been born without if I was given the choice. For instance, I was born with mild Scoliosis, which might very well be indicative of a more mild form of undiagnosed Marfan Syndrome.

    Has it ever affected my quality of life? Not really.

    Is it even especially noticeable? No. Not even the Army docs noticed it during my enlisted physical (which is the only reason I got in).

    However, I'd really rather not have it all the same.

    What is the useful function to being blue eyed? It is actually statistically abnormal. How about the elderly? They are abnormal and lack function once they reach a certain point. Guess we better off them all huh

    If you only cared for 'objective value' like a socialist or something, that would be one thing. I doubt that all your beliefs align with what's "best" for the species as a whole. Else you'd favor aborting down syndrome fetus, sterilizing drug addict or simply poor mothers, and so on. There is a long list of human failures and inconveniences that are largely preventable and less harmful than homosexuality.
    What makes you think that aging wouldn't be one of the first things on the chopping block?

    I'm not saying that Homosexuality is the "root of all evil" here. Far from it. It's basically irrelevant on the whole.

    However, that being said, there's still no real reason why it should have to exist. It's just an anomaly.
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 07-15-14 at 12:44 AM.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    We have a tendency to go off into the bushes. This whole discussion boils down to something much more simple than all those rambling posts.

    It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it's not the brand of sexuality that is most commonly practiced.
    It does not matter if it's done just for pleasure.
    It doesn't matter if it is not as your god intended.
    None of that matters. The only thing that matters is if it makes them happy and that it does not hurt anyone innocent. Check and check.

    Any argument anyone has with it is based purely in their own self interest because they want their world to stay tiny and strictly defined and in order to pull that off they need everyone else to be defined by the very limited terms they have allowed in that tiny little world.
    Well, I agree with that, but the question is, is it natural and normal?

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