View Poll Results: Is homosexuality "normak" and "natural"?

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  • Homosexuality is normal

    68 47.22%
  • Homosexuality is not normal

    46 31.94%
  • Homosexuality is natural

    92 63.89%
  • Homosexuality is not natural

    19 13.19%
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    No. The ultimate goal of a species is to survive, not to reproduce.
    Which we accomplish by reproducing.

    This isn't exactly rocket science here. If there aren't any offspring. There isn't a species to begin with.

    If overpopulation is an issue, and if scarce resources cannot support a large number of additional members, gay members would serve a vital role of limiting population growth.
    Then homosexuality would increase in proportion to population size. It doesn't.

    It was a statistical anomaly when our numbers were small. It is still an anomaly today.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Humans, currently. There are tonnes of contraceptives and of course many many abortions.

    Seems reproduction is an inconvenient side effect of boogying down.
    Introducing artificial chemicals into the mix doesn't change the biological purpose of the act.

    You can take pills to keep you from gaining weight after eating as well. It doesn't mean that nutrition isn't still the primary reason why we eat in the first place.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That said... I care that my children survive. If I had no children and the entire human race was about the perish, along with me, I would not rush out and impregnate a bunch of women so that the human race could survive. I wouldn't care. I doubt anybody in that situation would. The idea that we care about "humanity" surviving is stupid. We care about our families and friends... if they all die then that is that.
    The simple answer here is that nature just isn't that efficient.

    Genes, in at least some fashion, want to perpetuate themselves. For whatever reason, they always have, and they always will.

    However, this doesn't mean that they we, as organisms, are consciously aware of that fact. It is hardwired into us as a matter of basic instinct instead.

    When you alter the environmental circumstances those instincts were adapted to recognize (by adding artificial birth control into the mix, for instance), the system simply doesn't know how to react.

    As far as your body is concerned, it is doing its part simply by having sex. It doesn't know that the act has basically been rendered futile by the usage of condoms, the pill, or whatever else.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Then homosexuality would increase in proportion to population size. It doesn't.
    The best data suggests that the percentage appears to be about the same regardless of the population size.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I don't hear about spousal abuse nearly as much. There is a risk of making people insensitive to your cause if cried about too often. Never has society been more accepting of alternative sexual orientations and yet louder and louder the chant becomes. I have a neighbor who's an older gay man and whenever people start to bring up sex in conversation he disappears. I asked him, why does that bother you and he said, I'd rather be liked for my personality, not some private part of my life that I have no choice over. I asked aren't you sensitive to the acceptance of the gay community and he replied, only when there's actual discrimination, like fighting for SSM. The constant bleating of the congregation for everyone to love their gayness is asinine, as much as religious people trying to force me to love their beliefs.
    I'm not sure if anyone addresses this later, but of course one reason why there is so much acceptance currently is because of the decades of loud chanting

    And your experience with your gay neighbor isn't surprising in the least. My gay brother RARELY discusses political or social issues related to homosexuality, and then only when it affects him. I'd guess that's how the vast majority of homosexuals live their lives - not on a crusade, but just going about their business. So your beef is with a relative handful of activists. But that's what activists DO. I'm sick of hearing about guns. Goodness, can't the 2nd Amendment freaks just shut up until someone does come and take their guns? There has been a nonstop orgy of gun buying under Obama, there have never been more guns in circulation. What are they whining about??!!! Etc. I hope the point is clear.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm not sure if anyone addresses this later, but of course one reason why there is so much acceptance currently is because of the decades of loud chanting

    And your experience with your gay neighbor isn't surprising in the least. My gay brother RARELY discusses political or social issues related to homosexuality, and then only when it affects him. I'd guess that's how the vast majority of homosexuals live their lives - not on a crusade, but just going about their business. So your beef is with a relative handful of activists. But that's what activists DO. I'm sick of hearing about guns. Goodness, can't the 2nd Amendment freaks just shut up until someone does come and take their guns? There has been a nonstop orgy of gun buying under Obama, there have never been more guns in circulation. What are they whining about??!!! Etc. I hope the point is clear.
    Well, guns have always been pretty much accepted until just recent history. MOST men in the old days carried a weapon. That was the norm.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Every culture that experiences a decrease in the procreation imperative i.e reproduce or die, experiences an increase in deviant sexual behavior. Sex is for procreation and when the procreation imperative is strong its good that sex feels good.

    The human body doesn't adapt to a lessening of the imperative by decreasing the pleasure of sex. Thats not how the body works. The mind however, does adapt and the culture follows.



    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I don't hear about spousal abuse nearly as much. There is a risk of making people insensitive to your cause if cried about too often. Never has society been more accepting of alternative sexual orientations and yet louder and louder the chant becomes. I have a neighbor who's an older gay man and whenever people start to bring up sex in conversation he disappears. I asked him, why does that bother you and he said, I'd rather be liked for my personality, not some private part of my life that I have no choice over. I asked aren't you sensitive to the acceptance of the gay community and he replied, only when there's actual discrimination, like fighting for SSM. The constant bleating of the congregation for everyone to love their gayness is asinine, as much as religious people trying to force me to love their beliefs.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Everything we do, we do for a reason. We don't have sex just because. We have sex for a reason, and that reason is to reproduce, just like with all other animals.
    That is ridiculous. I had sex thousands of times with ZERO intentions of having a baby.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    I also tend to think (and I think I might have read this somewhere and it makes sense) that because children tend to be ANNOYING - LOL - sex feels good and we want to have sex so that we WILL reproduce regardless. Abortions and BC are just methods we use to prevent having the children, but it still does not negate the fact that we were designed to WANT to have sex so that we will reproduce in spite of the annoying children. J/K, personally I LOVE children, but apparently a lot of people here do not.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That is ridiculous. I had sex thousands of times with ZERO intentions of having a baby.
    Have you even read my links or posts? Just because you don't realize it does not mean it is not a biological imperative because it is. Without it, human beings would have died out LONG ago. Sex feels good so that you will want to do it in order to reproduce.

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