View Poll Results: Is homosexuality "normak" and "natural"?

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  • Homosexuality is normal

    68 47.22%
  • Homosexuality is not normal

    46 31.94%
  • Homosexuality is natural

    92 63.89%
  • Homosexuality is not natural

    19 13.19%
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    No. The ultimate goal of a species is to survive, not to reproduce. If overpopulation is an issue, and if scarce resources cannot support a large number of additional members, gay members would serve a vital role of limiting population growth. That is just one example of when homosexuality in fact advances the biological imperative more ultimate than reproduction--survival.
    Come on! There are no instances of this happening in human history, where a civilization has turned gay or even a majority of them, to cut down on population growth. Sorry, but I think that is just silly.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I have a theory but it's rather long. But aside from that. I have no clue.
    As do I... and it stems from the idea that a man should only penetrate a female. If it happens to a male then it personalizes it for the male imagining it thus grossing them out. I know it grosses me out but I don't let that over ride my logic that people are free to do what they want with regards to adult consenting partners.

    A guy penetrating a female in the rear? GREAT!
    A guy penetrating a male in the rear? Ooohh YUCK!

    That kind of thing...
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Come on! There are no instances of this happening in human history, where a civilization has turned gay or even a majority of them, to cut down on population growth. Sorry, but I think that is just silly.
    I was never talking only about humans, especially not modern day humans where standard evolution doesn't really work the same way due to technology. Nor did I say that a civilization ever turned gay or imply anything of the sort. Please stick to my actual arguments, not strawmen.

    The fact remains that the goal of a species is to survive. Reproduction is sometimes harmful to the species' survival, something that cannot be denied, so your notion that homosexuality is not natural because reproduction is a biological imperative is complete bunk. Not reproducing may very well be a biological imperative, thus your statement that reproduction is always a biological imperative is patently false.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Come on! There are no instances of this happening in human history, where a civilization has turned gay or even a majority of them, to cut down on population growth. Sorry, but I think that is just silly.
    He didn't say that it has happened, but just that it is a scenario that would benefit the species... but of course we need not be gay to do it either, just look at population controls in China. Look at the many millions that never want to have kids. There is nothing about our species that says we have to reproduce. Lakryte is correct, or goal is to survive.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    I was never talking only about humans, especially not modern day humans where standard evolution doesn't really work the same way due to technology. Nor did I say that a civilization ever turned gay or imply anything of the sort. Please stick to my actual arguments, not strawmen.

    The fact remains that the goal of a species is to survive. Reproduction is sometimes harmful to the species' survival, something that cannot be denied, so your notion that homosexuality is not natural because reproduction is a biological imperative is complete bunk. Not reproducing may very well be a biological imperative, thus your statement that reproduction is always a biological imperative is patently false.
    She does that... and that said, you make a great point about it being about survival.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    As do I... and it stems from the idea that a man should only penetrate a female. If it happens to a male then it personalizes it for the male imagining it thus grossing them out. I know it grosses me out but I don't let that over ride my logic that people are free to do what they want with regards to adult consenting partners.

    A guy penetrating a female in the rear? GREAT!
    A guy penetrating a male in the rear? Ooohh YUCK!

    That kind of thing...
    Close. The only difference my theory has is:

    First, it is masculine to penetrate and feminine to be penetrated. You see this materialise when a lady straps on and penetrates her make sex partner. This is called gay. Even though the action is sexual intercourse between a man and a woman some people see this as homosexual.

    Second, for a male to penetrate another male would make the bottom feminine and the top masculine thusthe average guy views a top male as somebody who "feminizes" and objectifies males.

    Men are less sexually objectified in our culture and it disturbs them deeply to think that they are objectified.
    Women are sexual objects in our culture, not men.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say that it has happened, but just that it is a scenario that would benefit the species... but of course we need not be gay to do it either, just look at population controls in China. Look at the many millions that never want to have kids. There is nothing about our species that says we have to reproduce. Lakryte is correct, or goal is to survive.
    passing genes to the next generation insures the survival of the species. Not the survival of the individual.

    And should it be a biological imperative to procreate, I sure homosexuals would.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    I was never talking only about humans, especially not modern day humans where standard evolution doesn't really work the same way due to technology. Nor did I say that a civilization ever turned gay or imply anything of the sort. Please stick to my actual arguments, not strawmen.

    The fact remains that the goal of a species is to survive. Reproduction is sometimes harmful to the species' survival, something that cannot be denied, so your notion that homosexuality is not natural because reproduction is a biological imperative is complete bunk. Not reproducing may very well be a biological imperative, thus your statement that reproduction is always a biological imperative is patently false.
    Give some examples of where, in ANY species, NOT reproducing has been a biological imperative. THAT is bunk.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say that it has happened, but just that it is a scenario that would benefit the species... but of course we need not be gay to do it either, just look at population controls in China. Look at the many millions that never want to have kids. There is nothing about our species that says we have to reproduce. Lakryte is correct, or goal is to survive.
    He made a claim that is not true. Population control in CHINA?!! You must be joking. The population in China was screwed up BY the government trying to control the population to begin with! Man oh man! ALL species have a biological imperative to reproduce. The problem is that there have been incredible medical advances that allow us to live longer and fight off diseases and complications that killed our young, therefore we have a very robust population. It is still a biological imperative in almost all animals to reproduce. THAT is the reason why you want to have sex and why sex feels good, so that you will WANT to do it to reproduce and create more of us. Just because you aren't AWARE that is biological imperative does not negate that fact. Goodness, I think this is just common sense stuff.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality "Normal" and "Natural"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    She does that... and that said, you make a great point about it being about survival.
    Good Lord, take some biology classes and human behavior classes and learn something.

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