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    Re: Are Open-Borders Ever Viable?

    Sure if want to turn the US into a third world nation.


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    And if we do build a wall there might someday be the Latin American eqivilent of this happening


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    Re: Are Open-Borders Ever Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    : Only now those that are coming to the US are from countries that are backward technologically. Hmm....guess technology itself isn't the only factor.
    He was alluding to the fact that the Native Americans were nearly wiped out because they had open borders. I suggested it might have had a little something to do with the fact that they were using sharpened sticks to defend themselves against armed and aggressive invaders with rifles. That cannot be reasonably compared to what is going on now.

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    Re: Are Open-Borders Ever Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    They were also centuries behind technologically. Apples to oranges here.



    Lots of people on this planet are centuries behind technologically right now.

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    Re: Are Open-Borders Ever Viable?

    A defining characteristic of a country is a border... No border, the us is no longer a country. Just a region of land.

    If these people weren't coming in for freebies, you might make an argument that most could come and there would be benefits.


    What did you call the person that would open the gates to the castle when an army was outside?

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    Re: Are Open-Borders Ever Viable?

    Wait, remind me again, are there any countries now that have open borders?

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    Re: Are Open-Borders Ever Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    He was alluding to the fact that the Native Americans were nearly wiped out because they had open borders. I suggested it might have had a little something to do with the fact that they were using sharpened sticks to defend themselves against armed and aggressive invaders with rifles. That cannot be reasonably compared to what is going on now.
    Around 80-90% of the Native Americans were killed by disease and not warfare. Entire Native American civilizations were wiped off the map before a European ever set foot in their territory. Early European explores found several sites, some large, believed to have been recently deserted when they arrived only to find out that the majority of the population had died and the few remaining survivors, which were not enough to maintain their society, decided to leave and look for other tribes. European diseases traveled faster and further then the early European explorers themselves.

    Back on topic - Their are many reason an open border policy would devastate our country but I believe the main reasons are all economic in nature. Most illegal immigrants or low skill low education workers that would not pay Federal taxes (or next to none) and little state income taxes even if they were granted citizenship. The influx of none tax paying members of society which use public services such as schools is unsustainable. A person must also consider they would displace US citizen low education workers who then would rely on government assistance so it would be lose/lose situation.

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    Re: Are Open-Borders Ever Viable?

    In Europe it is possible but only inside the countries part of the Schengen accord, but then it is still a united outside border to make sure that profiteering outsiders do not come purely for unwanted reasons (misusing our welfare system, terrorism, crime, etc.).

    The only country the US could contemplate an open border with is Canada but I am unsure the Canadians would want one because of the US gun laws, meth production in the US, US people coming to misuse the Canadian healthcare system, etc. etc. etc. For the US it would also not be very welcome because of the terrorism risks (Canada not having the same level of protection as the US has) and to make sure no drugs go across the border from Canada to the US.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Are Open-Borders Ever Viable?

    Yes, open borders can work but only if all or most nations open their borders as well. Yes, it would completely change the cultural landscape of the nations. But so f'in what? Just because something has been a certain way for a long time doesn't mean it is the way it should be.

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    Re: Are Open-Borders Ever Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    (For conservatives and other closed border advocates)

    A common conservative argument against open immigration is that we have a massive and easily manipulated welfare system that will be taken advantage of by immigrants in the event of the borders being opened.

    If our welfare state were to be fixed or eliminated, would open borders become a viable option? If not, would there ever be a time where you think it'd be viable and what would that entail?

    Curious question.
    You think just fixing the welfare system would make open borders viable? What about keeping out diseases, moochers, criminals, invaders, and other undesirable people? Is there some magical job fairy with an unlimited supply of decent paying jobs out there? Why would any employer pay you what they pay you now if they can hire some schmuck from a 3rd world country to do your job cheaper? is the money needed to educate the kids of these people just going to pop out of thin air? We just going to let tens of millions of people live in bum encampments because the welfare system is fixed and therefor you think it is viable to have an open border? I seriously doubt the people who would be flooding into the US would be libertarians.
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    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Are Open-Borders Ever Viable?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The American Indians (Natives.) had open borders.

    How did that work out for them?
    Occasionally I will see a post by some pro-amnesty or open border supporters who uploaded a demotiviational picture of Indians with the caption"fighting illegal immigrants since 1492" as some sort of argument for amnesty or open borders. That has to be the most funniest thing ever because if anything that demotivational picture supports the argument against those things.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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