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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Again the 6th amendment grants you the right to counsel in a criminal trial it does not force someone to act as your counsel in criminal trial.I am a adamant 2nd amendment supporter, but I do not support forcing gun shops selling to people they do not feel comfortable selling to.
    Thankfully no judge agrees with your interpretation of the sixth Amendment.

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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Yes. Most of the Civil Rights movement would have been ineligible to vote if those convicted of crimes were banned from voting.

    I also am beginning to ponder whether or not voting from behind bars should be allowed. People in prison are still US citizens. Maybe allowing them to vote would create more of a sense of civic responsibility and is a currently missed ingredient in their rehabilitation. Maybe they are wrongfully convicted. Maybe they are convicted on an unjust law.

    There a few reasons I'm starting to think this way, not the least of which being I think way too many people are in prison in the country when they could be out working for a living, supporting their families and still paying their debts to society under house arrest with allowances to do to work every day using tracking technology. I think it also might be a good idea to seal the arrest and conviction records of everybody except violent offenders and those with a "need to know."
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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think that once someone is finished serving their prison sentence they should have all their rights restored to them.

    If I was to ban anyone from holding office it would be criminal defense lawyers who knowingly defend someone who is guilty and trial lawyers who file idiotic lawsuits.Those people are the lowest of the low.
    Not all, I dont want violent criminals free to own guns.

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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Thankfully no judge agrees with your interpretation of the sixth Amendment.
    1.The supreme court is ran by partisan judges.They make rulings based on ideology, not what the Constitution actually says.Which is why their rulings are usually split republican democrat.

    2.The 6th amendment does not say people can be forced to provide counsel.
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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    no way
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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    1.The supreme court is ran by partisan judges.They make rulings based on ideology, not what the Constitution actually says.Which is why their rulings are usually split republican democrat.

    2.The 6th amendment does not say people can be forced to provide counsel.
    You're right. Two hundred years ago two political parties that didn't exist yet made a conspiracy to misinterpret the provision, and every judge or other legal analyst ever since has been in on it. Thanks for cracking that wide open.

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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    You're right. Two hundred years ago two political parties that didn't exist yet made a conspiracy to misinterpret the provision, and every judge or other legal analyst ever since has been in on it. Thanks for cracking that wide open.

    So you are saying that when democrat judges make rulings against the 2nd amendment in second amendment cases they actually going by what the Constitution says and not personal ideology?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So you are saying that when democrat judges make rulings against the 2nd amendment in second amendment cases they actually going by what the Constitution says and not personal ideology?
    When they are upholding legal principles disputed by no professionals, yes.

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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Never.

    There's enough clean slate people in the world that we don't need 'Reformed Scumbags' running things.



    Society must be maintained and all society really is at the end of the day is a system to keep the scum (who indeed might be popular with the masses) from running the high sanctum. Once this basic system fails you have open mafia. Just because the masses want something does not make it good for them. The founders didn't even believe all men should vote for this very reason. They knew the masses would promptly elect criminal elements who appeased their primal sentiments.
    Last edited by Ryan5; 07-14-14 at 05:19 PM.

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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Any office. Misdemeanor and/or felony. The question presumes said convicted criminals have completed their sentence.
    I don't see any real reason why they shouldn't be. They might be hard pressed to convince voters to vote for them if they've committed a serious enough crime but that's up to voters.

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