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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The 2nd amendment ensures me the right to gun.It does not force anyone to sell me a gun.The first amendment ensures me the right to peaceful assemble, not the right to force others to assemble with me.



    What are negative rights?


    It says you have the right to counsel, not the right to force someone to be your counsel.Two different things.
    Congress shall make no law ...

    ... Shall not be infringed

    These are all negative rights. They restrict someone (the government) from doing something.

    ... Shall enjoy the right ... By an impartial jury ... And to have the assistance of counsel....

    These are positive rights. That's why we have compulsory jury service and court-appointed attorneys for indigents.

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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I believe the accused has a right to defense.But at the same time a lawyer should never defend someone they believe is guilty.It takes a subhuman piece of **** to knowingly defend violent criminal or to try to scam the system.
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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not have issue with a lawyer trying to prove the innocence of their client. What I have issue is if that lawyer believes their client is guilty before the trial is even started and still proceeds to try to get that client off the hook even after believing that client is guilty.Its no different than a gun store who knowingly sells a gun to criminal or a car dealership who knowingly sells the car to someone who has no license and is uninsured or a pharmacist who knowingly fills out a bogus prescription.
    If a lawyer has no evidence that a client is guilty, and no confession from the client, there is no ethical dilemma in defending that client. Nor should there be, because everyone is entitled to counsel.
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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Congress shall make no law ...

    ... Shall not be infringed

    These are all negative rights. They restrict someone (the government) from doing something.
    I wouldn't call those negative rights. One could argue that the whole bill of rights is a restriction on government in order to protect people from the government.

    ... Shall enjoy the right ... By an impartial jury ... And to have the assistance of counsel....

    These are positive rights. That's why we have compulsory jury service and court-appointed attorneys for indigents.
    Again the 6th amendment grants you the right to counsel in a criminal trial it does not force someone to act as your cousel in criminal trial.Just like the 2nd amendment grants you the right to keep and bear arms it does not force private individuals to sell or give you a weapon.The 1st grants you the right to a peaceful assembly of people,the right to free speech, the right to freedom religious, freedom of the press,and petition grievances. The first does not force people to assemble with you and to force someone to provide you with the means to speech.The first does not force someone to provide a church,religious book,religious clothing, religious diet or anything else needed for exercising one's religion.It does not force others to provide you with a way to petition grievances the government or to force people to be members of the press.
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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I wouldn't call those negative rights. One could argue that the whole bill of rights is a restriction on government in order to protect people from the government.



    Again the 6th amendment grants you the right to counsel in a criminal trial it does not force someone to act as your cousel in criminal trial.Just like the 2nd amendment grants you the right to keep and bear arms it does not force private individuals to sell or give you a weapon.The 1st grants you the right to a peaceful assembly of people,the right to free speech, the right to freedom religious, freedom of the press,and petition grievances. The first does not force people to assemble with you and to force someone to provide you with the means to speech.The first does not force someone to provide a church,religious book,religious clothing, religious diet or anything else needed for exercising one's religion.It does not force others to provide you with a way to petition grievances the government or to force people to be members of the press.
    So what happens if no lawyer will defend a client?

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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    So what happens if no lawyer will defend a client?
    Then the client gets no lawyer.Its the same if no store sell me a gun, bible or anything else to enable me to exercise my constitutional rights or if no one will peacefully assemble with me.
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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then the client gets no lawyer.
    then we have denied the client his due process and right to a fair trial.
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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then the client gets no lawyer.
    I'm pretty sure the client can always ask the court to appoint one. And the court will comply, because there will ALWAYS be public defenders who are willing to practice with any client.
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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then the client gets no lawyer.Its the same if no store sell me a gun, bible or anything else to enable me to exercise my constitutional rights or if no one will peacefully assemble with me.
    So as I stated earlier, you oppose the right to counsel. You could have just admitted that in the first place.

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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    So as I stated earlier, you oppose the right to counsel. You could have just admitted that in the first place.
    Again the 6th amendment grants you the right to counsel in a criminal trial it does not force someone to act as your counsel in criminal trial.I am a adamant 2nd amendment supporter, but I do not support forcing gun shops selling to people they do not feel comfortable selling to.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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