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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    No, they have ethical codes for a reason.
    I sense we're not talking about the same thing.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    I do not see why not after all they are all eventually criminals once in office anyway.

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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think that once someone is finished serving their prison sentence they should have all their rights restored to them.

    If I was to ban anyone from holding office it would be criminal defense lawyers who knowingly defend someone who is guilty and trial lawyers who file idiotic lawsuits.Those people are the lowest of the low.
    People who committed crimes not only have a right to a defense but their lawyers are legally obligated to give them the best defense. If the state can't prove their case within the rules of law they shouldn't have the ability to take away freedom or in some cases the life of someone. So blaming defense attorneys because they did their legally obligated job is silly.

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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    So which of the two rights do you wish to abolish? The right to counsel or the right to remain silent?
    So if a guns shop owner refuses to sell a gun to someone he believes is a criminal then that gun shop owner is for abolishing the 2nd amendment? Your logic is flawed.
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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So if a guns shop owner refuses to sell a gun to someone he believes is a criminal then that gun shop owner is for abolishing the 2nd amendment? Your logic is flawed.
    Let me put this simply:

    The Constitution requires that a defendant have access to a defense attorney to defend him.

    The Constitution does not require a person to have access to a gun store willing to sell him guns.

    So again, which right do you support abolishing?

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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Any office. Misdemeanor and/or felony. The question presumes said convicted criminals have completed their sentence.
    If they can get elected, let them serve. Plenty of politicians are "unconvicted felons." Why not get a jump on it?
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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Let me put this simply:

    The Constitution requires that a defendant have access to a defense attorney to defend him.
    Requiring access is not the same thing as forcing another person to act as counsel. So a lawyer who believes someone is guilty can say no and refuse to defend that person.The 6th amendment does not say they accused shall force someone to act as counsel for him or her, nor does not say the accused gets counsel of his or her choosing.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Requiring access is not the same thing as forcing another person to act as counsel. So a lawyer who believes someone is guilty can say no and refuse to defend that person.
    If the lawyer is court appointed they will lose their license if not be considered in contempt.

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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    If the lawyer is court appointed they will lose their license if not be considered in contempt.
    Then the law should be changed.No lawyer should be forced to defend someone whom he or she believes is guilty.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then the law should be changed.No lawyer should be forced to defend someone whom he or she believes is guilty.
    So you want to abolish the right to counsel, got it.

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