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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I believe the accused has a right to defense.But at the same time a lawyer should never defend someone they believe is guilty.It takes a subhuman piece of **** to knowingly defend violent criminal or to try to scam the system.
    It's not up to a defense lawyer to decide whether someone is guilty or not though. Defence lawyers are there to uphold the defendant's rights, not to judge them.

    Everyone on trial is innocent (and should be treated as such) until judged guilty by their peers.
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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    You didn't answer the question, those two rights cannot exist together in a system where lawyers will quit based on being told their client is guilty.

    If you don't like our system, you're free to move to a country which lacks these rights.
    I do not have issue with a lawyer trying to prove the innocence of their client. What I have issue is if that lawyer believes their client is guilty before the trial is even started and still proceeds to try to get that client off the hook even after believing that client is guilty.Its no different than a gun store who knowingly sells a gun to criminal or a car dealership who knowingly sells the car to someone who has no license and is uninsured or a pharmacist who knowingly fills out a bogus prescription.
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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not have issue with a lawyer trying to prove the innocence of their client. What I have issue is if that lawyer believes their client is guilty before the trial is even started and still proceeds to try to get that client off the hook even after believing that client is guilty.Its no different than a gun store who knowingly sells a gun to criminal or a car dealership who knowingly sells the car to someone who has no license and is uninsured or a pharmacist who knowingly fills out a bogus prescription.
    So which of the two rights do you wish to abolish? The right to counsel or the right to remain silent?

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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    They couldn't possibly do worse than the senators we have now so....

    I propose that *only* ex-cons can hold senate seats. Would be a nice experiment

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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Nobody who has broken the law while in office, if the crime is related to the office itself, should be allowed to run for office again. For example, I don't care if a politician buys hookers while in office. However, if said politician diverted taxpayer money outside of his/her yearly salary to pay for those hookers, they should never be allowed to run for office again. Anything related to taking bribes or other forms of government corruption should be similarly punished. Also, no rapists or pedophiles.
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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not have issue with a lawyer trying to prove the innocence of their client. What I have issue is if that lawyer believes their client is guilty before the trial is even started and still proceeds to try to get that client off the hook even after believing that client is guilty.Its no different than a gun store who knowingly sells a gun to criminal or a car dealership who knowingly sells the car to someone who has no license and is uninsured or a pharmacist who knowingly fills out a bogus prescription.
    What you are describing may be unethical and/or immoral, but it's not illegal... and the subject of the thread notwithstanding, a person should never be barred from holding office for engaging in legal activity. Office-holding based on ethical/immoral activity should be solely based on the voter's judgment.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    What you are describing may be unethical and/or immoral, but it's not illegal... and the subject of the thread notwithstanding, a person should never be barred from holding office for engaging in legal activity. Office-holding based on ethical/immoral activity should be solely based on the voter's judgment.
    Defending a client is actually ethically obligatory.

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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    It'd be a nice change to know they're criminals before they get elected.
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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Defending a client is actually ethically obligatory.
    Legally obligatory. Ethically is a matter of personal ethics/morality. Many defense attorneys prefer to not know, for this reason.

    Then you get into the whole "are they then providing an adequate and rigorous defense?" if they don't know, but that's getting way off topic for this particular thread.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should convicted criminals be allowed to hold office?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Legally obligatory. Ethically is a matter of personal ethics/morality. Many defense attorneys prefer to not know, for this reason.

    Then you get into the whole "are they then providing an adequate and rigorous defense?" if they don't know, but that's getting way off topic for this particular thread.
    No, they have ethical codes for a reason.

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