Other, please explain
Once a thriving city, now a shell of decay and decline.
Two favorite places I have lived have been Orem, UT and a small city outside of Austin, TX I'm currently at.
In debate, if you make an assertion, and I challenge that assertion, it is YOUR job to support it. If you don't or can not, its an invalid assertion, which it now is.
Too many people on this board think they are debating when they post some fact they thought they heard or may have heard it when surfing political porn sites; they accept as fact and then post something that they believe is contributing to this board. When confronted, they can not back up their point.... because, it was wrong in the first place.
I could tell you were operating from impression with a reckless disregard for the truth when you suggested Santa Barbara was bankrupt. It is/was not. Though you did hedge your statement, it would have been a relatively easy thing to fact check before your posted... but you were too lazy or afraid your argument would break down. Stockton is the largest CA city to file bankruptcy. Moreover, Birmingham did NOT go bankrupt. The County that contains Birmingham went bankrupt (they are different entities). Face it, you did a poor job with your post.
Now that I blasted that part of your statement out of the water, the credibility of most your other assertions is very questionable.
Which American municipalities have filed for bankruptcy? | PBS NewsHour
Judge allows California city to enter bankruptcy, largest municipality to go bust | Fox News
Our courts work on debate theory. A plaintiff or prosecutor must prove his case. They do so by producing evidence to back up their assertions. When challenged, they either have to "double down" on the evidence, but it is their duty to find it and produce it; telling the defense to "google" the evidence is not producing it and will void the assertion. BTW, once the evidence is produced, it is fair game for the defense to attack the quality, relevance or jurisdiction of the evidence. Be prepared.
You sir, have not made your point and have thus far wasted everyone's time with your post. Again, it is YOUR job to produce the evidence to support your assertions. Perhaps you can learn from this "schooling" and pick up your game. I look forward to a higher integrity in your future posts.
OK, we are debating anecdotal views of the world, that is all fine, but its just impressions. That said, I find no points in Japan comparable to the urban plight of Detroit; rural China does not look any more impoverished than Appalachia or Flint or Detroit or any number of mid-sized eastern cities struggling in the post-industrial age. This argument about size is weak; as the smaller countries also have smaller budgets. Maybe if the US is too big to deliver the goods, it is too big? Don't think so.... But, forget the anecdotes, lets raise the bar with real evidence.... The US consistently ranks in the low 20s to high 30s in most world assessments. I personally consider that out of 1st world territory status and into 2nd tier. Please note, I am not making the argument that the US is a 3rd world country; I am making the argument that it is not a 2nd world country)
Let's look at the facts, shall we:
US Infrastructure Behind Developed World - Business Insider
2013 Report Card for America's Infrastructure
Failure to Act Economic Studies
10 Signs That US Infrastructure Is A Disaster - Business Insider
America’s infrastructure gets a D+. That’s not as bad as it sounds. - The Washington Post
U.S. Infrastructure Down In World Rankings Since 2008
Why Broadband Service in the U.S. Is So Awful - Scientific American
I can love my country and be critical of it.....Making the point that someone being critical of their country means they have "blind hatred" toward it or extreme ignorance is pretty weak. Even Forbes, that American hating magazine cites the ASCE study saying we are $1.7T in spend short of a 1st world infrastructure...
"...The Society of Civil Engineers (Failure to Act Studies) gives its price tag for restoring a first-world infrastructure. It would take $1.7T to correct our current infrastructure deficit and an extra $160 billion a year – or $1.1T — to meet our infrastructure needs through 2020......" Infrastructure Gap? Look at the Facts. We Spend More Than Europe - Forbes
Its not just physical infrastructure, our education, healthcare and crime rates all lag most 1st world countries....
World education rankings: which country does best at reading, maths and science? | News | theguardian.com
Education Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
World Health Organization’s Ranking of the World’s Health Systems | thepatientfactor.com
These 10 Countries Have The World's Highest Murder Rates
I look in the mirror everyday and see me (my good points and my bad). I can be self critical and put that energy to good use. It does not mean I hate myself. The idea that I critical of American priorities is an exercise of my right as an American. Reacting because I offended your Polyanna view is right, but......
I put forth a provocative proposition, which I can support. Now you can chose not to agree with this proposition, but you can say I am operating with "extreme ignorance" that is nothing more than name calling, which in and of itself, is a tactic one uses when they are out of rational arguments (maybe because they suffer from the very thing they accuse others of suffering from).
Perfectly acceptable to be satisfied with ranking in the 20s and 30s in these categories. Its also reasonable to say this is 1st world territory. I am just pointing out, that as a country, we are get bald and fat and too many us do not seem to care.
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Hell, there's parts of Okinawa that look like that. Japan's Hawaii.OK, we are debating anecdotal views of the world, that is all fine, but its just impressions. That said, I find no points in Japan comparable to the urban plight of Detroit;
???? What? Where have you been in China?rural China does not look any more impoverished than Appalachia or Flint or Detroit or any number of mid-sized eastern cities struggling in the post-industrial age.
???? What do you think First and Third World mean? Hint: it's impossible for the US to ever be a Second or Third World country, by definition.I personally consider that out of 1st world territory status and into 2nd tier. Please note, I am not making the argument that the US is a 3rd world country; I am making the argument that it is not a 2nd world country)
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected.