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Thread: Why is criticism of the POTUS condemned as racist by some?

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    Re: Why is criticism of the POTUS condemned as racist by some?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    This has been an ongoing question I've both argued against and in some cases suggested is might be true. Why is criticism of the POTUS condemned as racist by some?
    not all of it is.

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    Re: Why is criticism of the POTUS condemned as racist by some?

    My 2 cents:

    - In some cases there truly might be racism going on albeit concealed due to political correctness. The over the top rage officially over things other elected officials did previously where there was little to no protest leads some, including myself, at a minimum suspect the real reason for the rage is "he's not one of us" tribalism and that tribalism might involve race-based tribalism to some.

    - In some cases there are simply honest opposition to policy. However, at least with me if I see emotionalism and/or driven by stupidity like a congratulatory fist bump is a secret Al Qaeda handshake, he hates white people or isn't a US citizen I begin to question its an honest opposition to policy.

    - Most cases I think is "'world view projection," if that's a phrase. Example: The reason many republicans vote for conservatives is they honestly believe entitlement spending is out of control and think it ultimately harms the people it purports to help all while driving up the deficit. Since THEY vote for candidates due to opposition to entitlements, they falsely assume or "project their reason voting" that people voting differently do so because a support for entitlements when actually it's likely for other reasons such as possibly opposition to war, etc.

    Likewise, many of Obama's supporters, especially in 2008 were not so much thinking about policy figuring all of DC is going to pretty much produce the same stuff anyway. Rather they saw the Presidency as a symbol of the ultimate American dream achievement. In light of the history of slavery, the 3/5 clause (or the reason it was instituted in the first place,) the Ku Klux Klan, segregation, lynchings, urban blight, etc., a chapter was turning in American society that to them was far bigger and more important than the percentage millionaires would pay in taxes on their capital gains or whether everybody had to get health insurance. What many of them did and still do is "project" their motives for supporting Obama onto those who oppose him and falsely assume the motive of their opposition is because of being opposed to the reasons they supported him. Making is worse is when you have the most ridiculous things many in the opposition complain about from being only "half black" to Shirley Sherrod to he's a Muslim who was born in Kenya and hates America, white people and the US flag and it honestly only reinforces that view.
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    Re: Why is criticism of the POTUS condemned as racist by some?

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    wow you call hilda a racist...her campaign started the birth certificate nonsense....I'm amazed you'd call hillary clinton a racist...be careful walking in the park.
    Some of it was racist. And no, I didn't name any names. And even if I did, why am I supposedly required to not point out the flaws in candidates for my own party? Maybe spend less time worrying about the next presidential election and more time getting your own party's elected officials to do their jobs for a change.
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    Re: Why is criticism of the POTUS condemned as racist by some?

    There is valid criticism and then there's nonsense spewed by far right wingers with racist undertones.
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    Re: Why is criticism of the POTUS condemned as racist by some?

    There are people in this country who would never vote for a woman. There are people in this country who would never vote for a Japanese-American. There are people in this country who would never vote for an Indian-American. There are people who would never vote for a black person (yes, there are Democrats who are racist too). These same people would criticize the person they would never vote for once that person is in office. There are racists in this country, and mysognists, and people who hate vegetarians, and people who hate people who are religious, and people who hate people who smoke pot, and so on. Welcome to a nation of over 300 million people.

    That doesn't mean everyone who opposes Obama opposes him because of his race. In fact, most people who oppose Obama do it without his race being taken into consideration. But to read some posts on this board, some comments from political pundits, some comments from entertainers, some comments from journalists and bloggers, every opposition stems from him being black. That's a lazy and weak view.

    I don't like Obama for a lot of reasons. The color of his father's skin isn't one of them. I dislike Obama for the same reasons I dislike Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Harry Reid and other liberals. And they're all white. And most people who oppose them would check the voting ballot next to the name of the black person who better represents their ideals.

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    Re: Why is criticism of the POTUS condemned as racist by some?

    Better than not being condemned as racist by most, such as me, unless it's warranted .
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    Re: Why is criticism of the POTUS condemned as racist by some?

    The phrase "Politically correct race pimps" is one of the choices in the poll.
    This is most certainly racist bait by the OP designed to stir emotions on "both sides" of the race debate .
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    Re: Why is criticism of the POTUS condemned as racist by some?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    My 2 cents:

    - In some cases there truly might be racism going on albeit concealed due to political correctness. The over the top rage officially over things other elected officials did previously where there was little to no protest leads some, including myself, at a minimum suspect the real reason for the rage is "he's not one of us" tribalism and that tribalism might involve race-based tribalism to some.

    - In some cases there are simply honest opposition to policy. However, at least with me if I see emotionalism and/or driven by stupidity like a congratulatory fist bump is a secret Al Qaeda handshake, he hates white people or isn't a US citizen I begin to question its an honest opposition to policy.

    - Most cases I think is "'world view projection," if that's a phrase. Example: The reason many republicans vote for conservatives is they honestly believe entitlement spending is out of control and think it ultimately harms the people it purports to help all while driving up the deficit. Since THEY vote for candidates due to opposition to entitlements, they falsely assume or "project their reason voting" that people voting differently do so because a support for entitlements when actually it's likely for other reasons such as possibly opposition to war, etc.

    Likewise, many of Obama's supporters, especially in 2008 were not so much thinking about policy figuring all of DC is going to pretty much produce the same stuff anyway. Rather they saw the Presidency as a symbol of the ultimate American dream achievement. In light of the history of slavery, the 3/5 clause (or the reason it was instituted in the first place,) the Ku Klux Klan, segregation, lynchings, urban blight, etc., a chapter was turning in American society that to them was far bigger and more important than the percentage millionaires would pay in taxes on their capital gains or whether everybody had to get health insurance. What many of them did and still do is "project" their motives for supporting Obama onto those who oppose him and falsely assume the motive of their opposition is because of being opposed to the reasons they supported him. Making is worse is when you have the most ridiculous things many in the opposition complain about from being only "half black" to Shirley Sherrod to he's a Muslim who was born in Kenya and hates America, white people and the US flag and it honestly only reinforces that view.
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    Re: Why is criticism of the POTUS condemned as racist by some?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Because some of the criticism like this:





    Is actually racist.
    While it does exist and you have examples, niggardly isn't a racist word and that one white poster about the "lying African" looks well photo shopped.
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    Re: Why is criticism of the POTUS condemned as racist by some?

    Well, first of all, people like their politicians based on whether or not they agree with them. A black liberal will vote for a democrat, a conservative mormon will vote for a republican, etc. However, if they like a politician, they'll like him/ her even more if their identity politics are similar. It's why blacks voted for Obama over Hillary Clinton during the Democratic presidential primary race of 2008. It's why mormon's voted for Romney over McCain during the Republican primary race. Conversely, if people hate a politician, they'll hate him/ her more if their identity politics are different. While liberals like the fact that Obama's cosmopolitan and blacks like the fact that he's black, white rural conservatives hate it. He's a black guy whose middle name is Hussein, has a foreign father, and spent a lot of his childhood in other parts of the world. It's easy for them to see him as an outsider or unAmerican. That said, when Bill Clinton was in office, they attacked him with just as much vitriol. If people hate you, it won't really matter what your identity politics are. But if your identity politics are different, that's just one more thing they can attack you for.

    I see Palin as kind of the conservative version of Obama in that she stirred up the same strong feelings over identity politics, but in reverse. Many conservatives really liked the white, evangelical, small town, "aw shucks" image she projected (which is all she really had going for her), while many liberals disliked her more because of it.

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