• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Mitt Romney in 2016: Yes, or No?

Does it make sense for Romney t run again?

  • Absoutely. He's by far the best shot the RNC has.

    Votes: 9 9.4%

  • He might be good if he can shake the 47% remark he made.

    Votes: 1 1.0%

  • I really don't care who the RNC puts up at this point

    Votes: 10 10.4%

  • The guy is DOA. Find some new blood.

    Votes: 46 47.9%

  • History suggests that he should not run again.

    Votes: 30 31.3%
  • Total voters
    96
  • Poll closed .
tres borrachos said:
Is that a rhetorical question?

What was it in the earlier tax returns that you expected to see? Did you forensically analyze the ones he did release?
Click to expand...
Since he failed to release them we will never know. But, most people--at least those who are not RW hacks--agree that Romney refused to release returns from before 2010 for one of two or three reasons:

1. The returns would prove he lied about not being active in Baine Capital
2. The returns if scrutinized would show illegalities, primarily tax evasion and perhaps even fraud
3. The returns would expose how little, if any, tax Romney actually paid.
 
Grant said:
JFK was subject to much of this same stuff when he was the first Catholic who ran for President. I wasn't surprised it happened to Romney and no doubt the first Jew will suffer much the same suspicions and criticisms.
Click to expand...

Funny thing though...with Romney, almost all of the negativity towards his religion came from the extreme right. There was no way that evangelicals were going to back a Mormon for President. Having grown up in Utah, I saw this constantly. The most anti-Mormon negativity didn't come from "liberals"...it came from the evangelical religious groups. They were always out in full force during every Mormon conference handing out anti-Mormon literature.
 
tres borrachos said:
Is that a rhetorical question?

What was it in the earlier tax returns that you expected to see? Did you forensically analyze the ones he did release?
Click to expand...

Likely activity involving Bain. If he didn't have something to hide, he would have released them. The fact that he was so shady with them clearly indicates he had a lot to hide.
 
Grant said:
Yes, Obama's Hope and Change has certainly restored America's greatness in the world and it seems clear that since he was first elected President the rise of the oceans have begun to slow, except for Sandy of course, and our planet has begun to heal.

Mitt Romney was only an incredibly successful businessman who created thousands of jobs while Barrack was an ocean slower and a planet healer. I can understand why he received your support.
Click to expand...

You have seriously got to be joking. Do you even know how many US jobs that Romney and his corporations outsourced? Sure....Romeny created thousands of below minimum wage jobs in other countries.
 
disneydude said:
Likely activity involving Bain. If he didn't have something to hide, he would have released them. The fact that he was so shady with them clearly indicates he had a lot to hide.
Click to expand...

What kind of Bain activity would you think would be in there?

Do you think refusing to release something that people want (without any particular reason for wanting them) is an indication that the person refusing to release them is hiding something? Do you have that same opinion on Obama refusing to release his college records?
 
tres borrachos said:
What kind of Bain activity would you think would be in there?
Click to expand...
For one proof that he didn't quit managing the company like he said he did. But, more likely he didn't release his returns for the same reason most people with clever accountants would prefer not to put their tax info out on the Web--someone with a fine tooth comb will find improprieties.

Do you think refusing to release something that people want (without any particular reason for wanting them) is an indication that the person refusing to release them is hiding something? Do you have that same opinion on Obama refusing to release his college records?
Click to expand...
yes, however college records are not at issue here.

BTW, no one releases college records, but they all release tax returns.
 
tres borrachos said:
Is that a rhetorical question?

What was it in the earlier tax returns that you expected to see? Did you forensically analyze the ones he did release?
Click to expand...

We won't ever know what was in them...that is my point. Romney's Dad did have an opinion on that though. He said that any candidate who wouldn't release several years of returns had something to HIDE. George Romney was a smart man.
 
calamity said:
For one proof that he didn't quit managing the company like he said he did. But, more likely he didn't release his returns for the same reason most people with clever accountants would prefer not to put their tax info out on the Web--someone with a fine tooth comb will find improprieties.


yes, however college records are not at issue here.

BTW, no one releases college records, but they all release tax returns.
Click to expand...

So you think the tax returns would have shown that he was still working at Bain. You know, Bain is a big company. It has to report its payroll information to the government. Information like that would have been easily accessible. And what difference would it make anyway? Would you have voted for him if his tax returns show he wasn't?

So if releasing of records when someone demands it is acceptable, then what was Obama hiding?
 
iguanaman said:
We won't ever know what was in them...that is my point. Romney's Dad did have an opinion on that though. He said that any candidate who wouldn't release several years of returns had something to HIDE. George Romney was a smart man.
Click to expand...

Ah, so you would have voted for Romney if you saw his tax returns.
 
iguanaman said:
I think Romney thought that no one would vote for him if he released them. What do you think his reason was?
Click to expand...

I would have voted for him. His personal holdings weren't relevant.

I think he didn't release what wasn't necessary because he feels as I do...his personal holdings weren't relevant to his potential performance as POTUS.
 
tres borrachos said:
So you think the tax returns would have shown that he was still working at Bain. You know, Bain is a big company. It has to report its payroll information to the government. Information like that would have been easily accessible. And what difference would it make anyway? Would you have voted for him if his tax returns show he wasn't?
Click to expand...
No. I think he was cheating on his taxes and also paid very little if anything during those years in question.

So if releasing of records when someone demands it is acceptable, then what was Obama hiding?
Click to expand...
If everyone except Obama released grades, then yes he should too. But, you're actually saying "Only Obama should release his grades."

That's racist.
 
calamity said:
No. I think he was cheating on his taxes and also paid very little if anything during those years in question.


If everyone except Obama released grades, then yes he should too. But, you're actually saying "Only Obama should release his grades."

That's racist.
Click to expand...

Racist? No. I think he should have released his grades when people demanded them, if for no other reason than to shut people up. Same reason he had to release the birth certificate.
 
calamity said:
Romney cost thousands their jobs and bankrupted a dozen companies. Spit out the Kool Aids before it kills ya.
Click to expand...

The job of Bain Capital was to turn troubled companies around, largely through reorganization. Sometimes they succeeded and sometimes they failed. But, obviously, they were very successful overall so therefor created, or saved, many thousands of jobs. I doubt that is in dispute by anyone, though the actual numbers might be. We should understand that Staples, Dominoes, etc. employs many many people and are very successful companies.

Now, in contrast, how many jobs has Barrack Obama ever saved or created before he decided to turn around America? It is very safe to say none.

If you genuinely want to understand what is really happening in the world you should look for other sources other than nonsense like 'Think Progress' The name alone should make you suspicious.
 
calamity said:
Romney cost thousands their jobs and bankrupted a dozen companies. Spit out the Kool Aids before it kills ya.
Click to expand...

Grant said:
The job of Bain Capital was to turn troubled companies around, largely through reorganization. Sometimes they succeeded and sometimes they failed. But, obviously, they were very successful overall so therefor created, or saved, many thousands of jobs. I doubt that is in dispute by anyone, though the actual numbers might be. We should understand that Staples, Dominoes, etc. employs many many people and are very successful companies.

Now, in contrast, how many jobs has Barrack Obama ever saved or created before he decided to turn around America? It is very safe to say none.

If you genuinely want to understand what is really happening in the world you should look for other sources other than nonsense like 'Think Progress' The name alone should make you suspicious.
Click to expand...

I'd have to agree with you Grant. Seems Calamity really needs to spit out his Kool Aid before it kills him, along with killing the country.
 
disneydude said:
You have seriously got to be joking. Do you even know how many US jobs that Romney and his corporations outsourced? Sure....Romeny created thousands of below minimum wage jobs in other countries.
Click to expand...
I assume you mean that Romney created jobs in other countries which are below America's minimum wage, correct? That's a good thing also because many of these countries need investment and wouldn't expect US wages. So Mitt Romney is creating international wealth, something we should all applaud.

However he did create wealth in the United States also. Union-backed ad says Mitt Romney's investments created zero jobs | PolitiFact

Whatever your political leanings might be, I doubt that anyone can ever make the claim that a neophyte like Barrack Obama ever created more jobs than a Mitt Romney.
 
tres borrachos said:
What kind of Bain activity would you think would be in there?

Do you think refusing to release something that people want (without any particular reason for wanting them) is an indication that the person refusing to release them is hiding something? Do you have that same opinion on Obama refusing to release his college records?
Click to expand...

College records are not something that are normally released in the course of running for President....nice try. Tax Records on the other hand are, without question, always produced. Romney was the first in a long long time that refused to release more than a couple of years. Completely different scenario.
 
iguanaman said:
And Romney was "special" because? All the other candidates released them and have since Romney's father started it many years ago. His father also stated that any candidate that wouldn't release several years of back tax returns was "hiding something".
Click to expand...

Romney didn't consider himself special and he was not his father and his circumstances were quite different from his father's and most other candidates. He respected the privacy of those named on his tax returns and did not want their names dragged through the mud just because of the association beween himself and them. Now if you don't understand that, I doubt anything I would say would convince you. Whether or not one considers it acceptable is of course a personal opinion.

You should be asking yourself though how Harry Reid 'knew' Romney had paid no taxes for years--a bald faced lie as it turned out. Such information should have been completely private and something Reid would not have known unless Romney disclosed it. If he coerced or bribed or was just given the information by somebody in the IRS, THAT would be something the American people should be very concerned about.
 
Grant said:
I assume you mean that Romney created jobs in other countries which are below America's minimum wage, correct? That's a good thing also because many of these countries need investment and wouldn't expect US wages. So Mitt Romney is creating international wealth, something we should all applaud.

However he did create wealth in the United States also. Union-backed ad says Mitt Romney's investments created zero jobs | PolitiFact

Whatever your political leanings might be, I doubt that anyone can ever make the claim that a neophyte like Barrack Obama ever created more jobs than a Mitt Romney.
Click to expand...

By outsourcing American jobs.....not exactly something that I think most Americans would believe is a good thing. Nice attempt at spin however.
 
I would love to see Romney get the nod and lose again. I do not like him at all.
 
disneydude said:
By outsourcing American jobs.....not exactly something that I think most Americans would believe is a good thing. Nice attempt at spin however.
Click to expand...

No spin.
Romney made a personal fortune running private equity and venture capital firm Bain Capital, and super PACs are spending millions to show investments that ended with lost jobs and Bain profits.

That’s an incomplete snapshot of Bain’s portfolio — in fact, at least several of Bain's companies mushroomed, creating thousands of jobs.
Click to expand...
Union-backed ad says Mitt Romney's investments created zero jobs | PolitiFact

So that claim that Bain Capital and Romney created zero jobs is:
rulings%2Ftom-pantsonfire.gif


Spinning it that he didn't create any jobs is dishonest spin. Some would call it a lie. It should be noted that it was a Union who produced the ad.
 
eohrnberger said:
I'd have to agree with you Grant. Seems Calamity really needs to spit out his Kool Aid before it kills him, along with killing the country.
Click to expand...

:roll:
 
disneydude said:
By outsourcing American jobs.....not exactly something that I think most Americans would believe is a good thing. Nice attempt at spin however.
Click to expand...

What spin are you referring to? Those jobs he "outsourced" may not have been economically viable in the US but would might be in place like Guatemala or Honduras. These countries, and many others, would welcome such investments.

Other jobs were created in America, many thousands of them, because it made sense to do so. Had you read the link you would have understood this, but it seems you prefer your beliefs over knowledge.
 
Grant said:
The job of Bain Capital was to turn troubled companies around, largely through reorganization. Sometimes they succeeded and sometimes they failed. But, obviously, they were very successful overall so therefor created, or saved, many thousands of jobs. I doubt that is in dispute by anyone, though the actual numbers might be. We should understand that Staples, Dominoes, etc. employs many many people and are very successful companies.

Now, in contrast, how many jobs has Barrack Obama ever saved or created before he decided to turn around America? It is very safe to say none.

If you genuinely want to understand what is really happening in the world you should look for other sources other than nonsense like 'Think Progress' The name alone should make you suspicious.
Click to expand...
Yeah, "killing the patient to save him." Isn't that a bit like what "W" did in Iraq?

Conservatives and their broken compasses. I tell ya...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom