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    Re: Bush vs Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Nonsense.

    How childish and irresponsible is it to 6 years into a administration to STILL blame the last President ?
    Not really, except that it's a fairy tale in the case of the Obama administration. But in the case of Clinton and Bush it's neither childish nor irresponsible. Nor a fairy tale. Why you may ask?

    Because Clinton and his administration passed on KILLING Usama bin-Laden 8 to 10 times during the last three years of his administration. That's EIGHT TO 10 TIMES when the CIA had bin-Laden in the crosshairs of a gun or a guided missile. And the Clinton Administration was too chicken**** to authorize the CIA to proceed. This according to the CIA chief of the bin-Laden desk, Michael Scheuer as he has stated repeatedly for years.

    THAT CHANGED President Bush's ENTIRE presidency. And the DEMOCRATS were in lockstep with the President in going into both Afghanistan (bin-Laden) and into Iraq (for those WMDs that the democrats later claimed didn't exist).

    Clinton Admits He Passed on Killing Bin Laden | FrontPage Magazine

    Scheuer Says Clinton Is A Liar - Clinton's Choice - Says Killing UBL Would Have Killed Civilians - YouTube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5p-qIq32m8

    You can ignore the liar and non-expert Geraldo Rivera. He's just sitting there for the fair and balanced bull**** part. Something akin to opening up Al Capone's vault.
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    Re: Bush vs Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaygodmedia View Post
    If we were to take a closer look at the day by day acounts of these 2 administrations, clearly Obama wins. How quicky the gop forgets the mess they made. One of the dumbest things i heard on fox news was we were safer under bush AFTER 9 11. Well did it happen on the gop watch. Give me a break Obama has been cleaning up the mess bush and his war buddys made for over 5 years now.
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    History will not be kind to GW Bush, he will certainly go down as the worst president in American history I have no doubt about that. I think too that win the fog that the right-wing has created disipates hisotry will show Barack Obama to be a much better president; certainly not the answer we were all looking for, more of the same in my view, but his presidency will be seen as far superior to that of GW Bush.
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    Re: Bush vs Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This has got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read on DP. How about the threat of Indian raids, or maybe just eating on a daily basis? While you sit in your comfy living room, pondering the channels you're surfing, while trying to judge people who had to actually put in a daily effort to live. And we won't get into the Constitution because I doubt you know anything about it. And the men who wrote that document knew a great deal about governments, philosophy, politics and societies (because they studied them).......something the average HS grad today couldn't even comprehend. And they predicted a great deal about their posterity. The oldest working constitution in the world of one of the youngest countries of the world that is the superpower of the world. No, you don't have a clue what they accomplished back in 1787.
    Whose judging what? Regardless, there's no serious case that Native Americans represented a serious risk that required deep political and military calculation. They were more of a vague, general threat that could be taken care of at the local level by militias. European settlers pretty much freely ignored every treaty their government signed with the Natives because for the most part the rewards of encroaching on shrinking reservations outweighed the risks. When enough settlers moved in, the government simply voided the deal and sent minimal military forces to smash up whatever riots broke out.

    The U.S. Constitution reflects a period where economies were mostly local and therefore municipal and state governments made the most efficient use of power and money. The 21st century is an era where population growth and changes in commerce and communication technologies mean national governments and mega corporations make the most efficient use of resources.
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    Re: Bush vs Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Whose judging what? Regardless, there's no serious case that Native Americans represented a serious risk that required deep political and military calculation. They were more of a vague, general threat that could be taken care of at the local level by militias. European settlers pretty much freely ignored every treaty their government signed with the Natives because for the most part the rewards of encroaching on shrinking reservations outweighed the risks. When enough settlers moved in, the government simply voided the deal and sent minimal military forces to smash up whatever riots broke out.

    The U.S. Constitution reflects a period where economies were mostly local and therefore municipal and state governments made the most efficient use of power and money. The 21st century is an era where population growth and changes in commerce and communication technologies mean national governments and mega corporations make the most efficient use of resources.
    No dude, you tried to talk up some smack about the Founders that was way the hell out of line, and I called you on it. They studied the history of governments in great detail to come up with the one we have, it wasn't just guess work like some may believe. The Constitution wasn't thrown together by the types we have in Washington today. These men were highly intelligent and well read. Don't tell me about local economies, they new all about Britain which was a world power house in military and trade. They didn't write the Constitution figuring that we were all local economies like Mayberry's dime store. That's pure bull****. And there was a reason for local militias, they could be controlled by the People unlike great standing armies like Britain. I know you think these guys could think, but you're wrong.
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    Re: Bush vs Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No dude, you tried to talk up some smack about the Founders that was way the hell out of line, and I called you on it. They studied the history of governments in great detail to come up with the one we have, it wasn't just guess work like some may believe. The Constitution wasn't thrown together by the types we have in Washington today. These men were highly intelligent and well read. Don't tell me about local economies, they new all about Britain which was a world power house in military and trade. They didn't write the Constitution figuring that we were all local economies like Mayberry's dime store. That's pure bull****. And there was a reason for local militias, they could be controlled by the People unlike great standing armies like Britain. I know you think these guys could think, but you're wrong.
    Uh, that never ever happened.
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    Re: Bush vs Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Uh, that never ever happened.
    I don't know how you expect a document written for pioneers in the 1700s (with no serious external obstacles threatening their social and economic expansion) to address the challenges of an era ruled by technological sorcery.
    You're right, what I should have simply said was that you don't know what the **** you're talking about. They studied empires millennia before their time, so they knew the character of men over time, and that hasn't changed one iota! They didn't write a document for only their time. But that doesn't fits your narrative, because you want to discredit the Constitution entirely. Well I'm here to tell you that you will fail, just as others have failed."No serious obstacles"....dude, you've already failed.
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    Re: Bush vs Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You're right, what I should have simply said was that you don't know what the **** you're talking about. They studied empires millennia before their time, so they knew the character of men over time, and that hasn't changed one iota! They didn't write a document for only their time. But that doesn't fits your narrative, because you want to discredit the Constitution entirely. Well I'm here to tell you that you will fail, just as others have failed."No serious obstacles"....dude, you've already failed.
    ... you don't think that the existence of thousands of nuclear warheads and ICBMs pointing directly at them wouldn't have spurred an hour's debate on the scope of government? Or the diminishing supplies of freshwater? A global population expanding to 16,000,000 by the end of the century? People who can explode themselves to create a climate of unrelenting fear? Where satellites can can photograph your nose hairs from space?

    The U.S. Constitution isn't magical.
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    Re: Bush vs Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    ... you don't think that the existence of thousands of nuclear warheads and ICBMs pointing directly at them wouldn't have spurred an hour's debate on the scope of government? Or the diminishing supplies of freshwater? A global population expanding to 16,000,000 by the end of the century? People who can explode themselves to create a climate of unrelenting fear? Where satellites can can photograph your nose hairs from space?

    The U.S. Constitution isn't magical.
    It may not be magical, but I wouldn't trust you to edit it.
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    Re: Bush vs Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It may not be magical, but I wouldn't trust you to edit it.
    Bush and Obama domestic policies have been similar, TARP v. Stimulus, Prescription Drug v. ACA, the Patriot Act, the rise in debt, etc. Foreign policy has been a bit different, Obama got us out of Iraq, but we are back in again. Obama gave us Libya which now is a total mess and a breeding ground for terrorism training camps, better if we left Qaddafi in place. Of course the same could be said of Saddam. We are still Afghanistan, but we are talking to Iran, a good thing.

    Okay, the bottom line. I think Bush left this country worse off than when he entered office and Obama is doing the same thing. Both are/did leave us in a worse position both domestically and in foreign policy than before their presidency.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Bush vs Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Bush and Obama domestic policies have been similar, TARP v. Stimulus, Prescription Drug v. ACA, the Patriot Act, the rise in debt, etc. Foreign policy has been a bit different, Obama got us out of Iraq, but we are back in again. Obama gave us Libya which now is a total mess and a breeding ground for terrorism training camps, better if we left Qaddafi in place. Of course the same could be said of Saddam. We are still Afghanistan, but we are talking to Iran, a good thing.

    Okay, the bottom line. I think Bush left this country worse off than when he entered office and Obama is doing the same thing. Both are/did leave us in a worse position both domestically and in foreign policy than before their presidency.
    I really respect you opinions, but WTH does it have to do with the Constitution?
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