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Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

What did SCOTUS decide?


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Hobby Lobby is a privately owned corporation who objected to the four forms of birth control that could be considered abortion. (Whether it is or isn't is not relevant to this discussion.) What is your view as to what the SCOTUS decided in this case?


  • They decided only those four methods of birth control can be withheld.
  • They decided a private corporation can object to all forms of birth control.
  • Don't know/unsure
 
Hobby Lobby is a privately owned corporation who objected to the four forms of birth control that could be considered abortion. (Whether it is or isn't is not relevant to this discussion.) What is your view as to what the SCOTUS decided in this case?


  • They decided only those four methods of birth control can be withheld.
  • They decided a private corporation can object to all forms of birth control.
  • Don't know/unsure
I am unsure. I honestly wonder if SCOTUS knows. :roll:
 
The SCOTUS decided that a "closely held" corporation could raise a religious objection to a federal law (administrative mandate?).
 
If I had to choose who had control over my life, government or corporations... I would choose government. Just because of the slight chance voters would change the government. All this ruling does is give corporations more power which it seems the freedom loving GOP and their minions seem to be lapping up like cat to warm milk. I hope they are okay with corporations controlling their lives, since this is a slippery slope
 
If I had to choose who had control over my life, government or corporations... I would choose government. Just because of the slight chance voters would change the government. All this ruling does is give corporations more power which it seems the freedom loving GOP and their minions seem to be lapping up like cat to warm milk. I hope they are okay with corporations controlling their lives, since this is a slippery slope

corporations don't control anyone's life..

and really, you do not have a choice over whether government controls your life... they do and there is no way to escape that fact.
corporations,well....you can choose ,at any time, to completely disassociate with any corporation of your choosing.... for any reason.
 
If I had to choose who had control over my life, government or corporations... I would choose government. Just because of the slight chance voters would change the government. All this ruling does is give corporations more power which it seems the freedom loving GOP and their minions seem to be lapping up like cat to warm milk. I hope they are okay with corporations controlling their lives, since this is a slippery slope

How does a corporation get to control an employees life exactly?
 
Hobby Lobby is a privately owned corporation who objected to the four forms of birth control that could be considered abortion. (Whether it is or isn't is not relevant to this discussion.) What is your view as to what the SCOTUS decided in this case?


  • They decided only those four methods of birth control can be withheld.
  • They decided a private corporation can object to all forms of birth control.
  • Don't know/unsure


Pete Pete Pete ... you are a troublemaker.
 
Frankly, I don't really see this as being much different from the same purposes of the Hyde Amendment, which was passed back in the 70's, to prevent taxpayer money funding of abortion. I know the intent and method is different, but they are both issues regarding payment for something which is conscientiously objected to, by a certain segment of the population.

It is about abortion funding, not birth control. If it were about birth control, HL would have objected to the other birth control medications/methods as well as the abortifacients.
 
If I had to choose who had control over my life, government or corporations... I would choose government.
Just because of the slight chance voters would change the government. All this ruling does is give corporations more power which it seems the freedom loving GOP and their minions seem to be lapping up like cat to warm milk. I hope they are okay with corporations controlling their lives, since this is a slippery slope

Looks like you have done just that.
Not only that, corporation control over anybody is irrelevant to the HL decision.
 
How does a corporation get to control an employees life exactly?

They are significant contributors to the environment and choices one finds in their daily routine. While this is not direct control, it is a form of control.
 
They are significant contributors to the environment and choices one finds in their daily routine. While this is not direct control, it is a form of control.

If you are talking about the HL ruling, there isn't any form of control as far as their employees are concerned.
 
If I had to choose who had control over my life, government or corporations... I would choose government. Just because of the slight chance voters would change the government. All this ruling does is give corporations more power which it seems the freedom loving GOP and their minions seem to be lapping up like cat to warm milk. I hope they are okay with corporations controlling their lives, since this is a slippery slope

I am curious as to why personal freedom, i.e. yourself, is not included as a possibility. Allowing a person (or corporation) to be exempt from a gov't mandate is hardly letting them control your life.
 
If you are talking about the HL ruling, there isn't any form of control as far as their employees are concerned.

I was answering your general question on how corporations exert control over the populace.
 
I was answering your general question on how corporations exert control over the populace.

And it still didn't answer my question.

Corporations don't exert control over me unless I choose to engage them. As I sit here typing, what control is, for instance, Boeing or Hallmark exerting over me?
 
And it still didn't answer my question.

Corporations don't exert control over me unless I choose to engage them. As I sit here typing, what control is, for instance, Boeing or Hallmark exerting over me?

Nope. Corporations exert influence on your life whether you choose to engage with them or not. For example, hallmark has a huge say in the tone and manner (and price) of greeting cards. While this influence is minor, it does influence your life and changes the viability and feedback from your choices even if choose a competitor's card or make your own. This control may be good or bad and chances are most people don't consider it important, but nevertheless it exists.

Another example would be porn. It exerts a great influence over culture and that impacts everyone.
 
Nope. Corporations exert influence on your life whether you choose to engage with them or not. For example, hallmark has a huge say in the tone and manner (and price) of greeting cards. While this influence is minor, it does influence your life and changes the viability and feedback from your choices even if choose a competitor's card or make your own. This control may be good or bad and chances are most people don't consider it important, but nevertheless it exists.

So then if I'm offended by the tone and manner of the Hallmark card offerings, I'm of course free to open up my own business to offer tone and manner that appeals to me. Or simply not purchase the Hallmark products.

Of course, none of this has anything to do with the SCOTUS ruling on the Hobby Lobby case.
 
If I had to choose who had control over my life, government or corporations... I would choose government. Just because of the slight chance voters would change the government. All this ruling does is give corporations more power which it seems the freedom loving GOP and their minions seem to be lapping up like cat to warm milk. I hope they are okay with corporations controlling their lives, since this is a slippery slope
Exactly. Easier to change a government for the people, by the people, than something that is not a part of your government. ;)
 
Nope. Corporations exert influence on your life whether you choose to engage with them or not. For example, hallmark has a huge say in the tone and manner (and price) of greeting cards. While this influence is minor, it does influence your life and changes the viability and feedback from your choices even if choose a competitor's card or make your own. This control may be good or bad and chances are most people don't consider it important, but nevertheless it exists.

Another example would be porn. It exerts a great influence over culture and that impacts everyone.

Only to the extent that I let it. Porn is a huge industry, and we have no doubt seen some relaxing of sexual standards over the past few decades, but was it because porn had an influence, or has there been an increase in the porn industry as a result of changing standards? I tend to think it's probably the latter. Porn hasn't influenced my life a bit, as far as I am aware.
 
So then if I'm offended by the tone and manner of the Hallmark card offerings, I'm of course free to open up my own business to offer tone and manner that appeals to me. Or simply not purchase the Hallmark products.

Of course, none of this has anything to do with the SCOTUS ruling on the Hobby Lobby case.

yes, but this does not disprove my point. The tie in to the greater point is that it will likely affect other choices corporations will make which will again exert an influence and therefor a manner of control (because influence basically is control, I could influence you to make a choice if I had a gun and a demand for example, but you would still make your own choice based on the consequences you perceive).
 
yes, but this does not disprove my point. The tie in to the greater point is that it will likely affect other choices corporations will make which will again exert an influence and therefor a manner of control (because influence basically is control, I could influence you to make a choice if I had a gun and a demand for example, but you would still make your own choice based on the consequences you perceive).

The HL decision won't impact me at all. There is no control exerted on my life, nor on the lives of the HL employees for that matter.
 
Only to the extent that I let it. Porn is a huge industry, and we have no doubt seen some relaxing of sexual standards over the past few decades, but was it because porn had an influence, or has there been an increase in the porn industry as a result of changing standards? I tend to think it's probably the latter. Porn hasn't influenced my life a bit, as far as I am aware.

yes and no. you can control your own actions sure (which is always true unless a person is unconscious or somehow does not possess free will), but if others are changed as a result of environmental influences, then the consequences of your actions, and therefore you available viable choices, changes.
 
How does a corporation get to control an employees life exactly?

Tres, they *gasp* determine when an employee needs to show up for work, and how many hours they should be there. Very unfair! What if I have other plans for that day? Besides, I'm having a bad hair day, and can't make it to work on time!

They determine what is appropriate attire on the job. Very unfair! What if I feel like wearing a bikini because I'm going to the beach later?

They expect a reasonable attitude while you're there? Very unfair. If I'm feeling grouchy, that's my business.

They expect a reasonable amount of company work to be accomplished. Very unfair! What's wrong with playing games on my computer - everyone needs a little fun during the day.

Yep, those damn corporations have too much control over employees' lives, and that is just - well - unfair! :mrgreen:

Greetings, tres borrachos. :2wave:
 
The HL decision won't impact me at all. There is no control exerted on my life, nor on the lives of the HL employees for that matter.

Its possible this decision won't and the probability is small that it will, but again, this does not disprove my greater point.
 
Tres, they *gasp* determine when an employee needs to show up for work, and how many hours they should be there. Very unfair! What if I have other plans for that day? Besides, I'm having a bad hair day, and can't make it to work on time!

They determine what is appropriate attire on the job. Very unfair! What if I feel like wearing a bikini because I'm going to the beach later?

They expect a reasonable attitude while you're there? Very unfair. If I'm feeling grouchy, that's my business.

They expect a reasonable amount of company work to be accomplished. Very unfair! What's wrong with playing games on my computer - everyone needs a little fun during the day.

Yep, those damn corporations have too much control over employees' lives, and that is just - well - unfair! :mrgreen:

Greetings, tres borrachos. :2wave:

This is actually all true, but I disagree that it is a bad thing or that its worthy of sarcasm. Sometimes that control is helpful. If it helps people fit into a modern society due to negative consequences, then I don't see the problem with it (not under every circumstance, but generally, I see it as a good thing)

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