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Thread: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, my boss can't sexually harass me when I'm in my house with my husband, and he is in his house with his wife.

    I get lots of sick leave. I use it if and when I need it.

    No, right now my employer can't dismiss me without cause. My company is closed and I'm in my house.

    I make 6 figures. Not worried about poverty wages here.



    Good for you.

    Lots of people in the USA are living paycheck to paycheck or don't even have a steady job.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by GailT View Post
    A lot of people with 6 figure incomes lost their jobs in the great recession and had a nasty introduction to life for the other 90%. And you are okay with the fact that you might get sexually harrased while on the job? And that does not affect you when you get home?
    You have a very myopic and compartmentalized view of the world.



    Lots of people on this planet see and hear what they want to see and hear and ignore the rest.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I didn't lose my job.

    What does any of this have to do with Hobby Lobby?

    And should I be scared that my boss is going to break into my house in the next few hours in an attempt to sexually harass me?



    That depends on who your boss is.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by GailT View Post
    HL had a problem specifically with birth control, and the Roman Catholic Supreme Court applied the decision to all forms of birth control. And in any case, they are not paying birth control. Employees earn their health insurance as part of their compensation package. HL does not pay for insurance as a "gift" to their employees.
    The best solution is to move to single payer health care, similar to Medicare, and get corporations out of the business of making decisions about what type of health care we have.



    I totally agree and I am sure that this will happen eventually.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Many employer's do indeed exercise power of their employees when they aren't on the job. Many employers, including most public entities, will not allow their employees to smoke at all, and it is a termination offense if they do. Same with drug use, including marijuana. Also, many employees who work on contract have various clauses, including "morals" clauses, that allow termination if the employee... in the opinion of the employer... behaves in a manner that violates the employer's "moral" values.

    In this market, simply "finding another job" is far from easy, and most people cannot afford the luxury of being unemployed until they find a job that doesn't exercise some control over their non-working hours.

    I'm not criticizing your comments, simply pointing out that they are not all-encompassing and many, many people are affected by their employer's policies on and off the job.
    It is much, much more pervasive than it was even 20 years ago.



    I totally agree. The world has changed.

    A lot.




    And not all of that change has been for the better.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The corporation I work for has no power over my life, except in that I am expected to follow and uphold company policies when I am on the clock.
    Do you live in a "at will" state, because doing your job doesn't really matter. Does your employer match your 401K, if so when do they contribute it? Some corporations seem to like to do the contribution at the end of the year. Maybe you are
    okay with that.

    I get that some may see the religious freedom of the business owner is important in denying coverages of some medical procedures, but what should my employer care what I do with my body and the insurance that I also pay for.

    Labor and Corporations will always be having disagreements, but I think many are missing my point of my first post. If it comes to individuals making choices that directly effect me, I trust the government more then a corporation. Others may not see it that way...

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    If I had to choose who had control over my life, government or corporations... I would choose government. Just because of the slight chance voters would change the government. All this ruling does is give corporations more power which it seems the freedom loving GOP and their minions seem to be lapping up like cat to warm milk. I hope they are okay with corporations controlling their lives, since this is a slippery slope
    Why do we even have to choose? Have we Americans gotten so programmable that ANY tyrant or dictatorship can simply step in and crack the whip?

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Many employer's do indeed exercise power of their employees when they aren't on the job. Many employers, including most public entities, will not allow their employees to smoke at all, and it is a termination offense if they do. Same with drug use, including marijuana. Also, many employees who work on contract have various clauses, including "morals" clauses, that allow termination if the employee... in the opinion of the employer... behaves in a manner that violates the employer's "moral" values.

    In this market, simply "finding another job" is far from easy, and most people cannot afford the luxury of being unemployed until they find a job that doesn't exercise some control over their non-working hours.

    I'm not criticizing your comments, simply pointing out that they are not all-encompassing and many, many people are affected by their employer's policies on and off the job. It is much, much more pervasive than it was even 20 years ago.
    There are employers that have a no smoking off the job policy. Same with drug use. I happen not to work for one of those companies. If I did, I'd have to give up my occasional social cigarette and my whenever I want it marijuana indulgence...or leave.

    Sirius just terminated one of their DJs for stupid tweets. I actually support that decision. Employers should have the right to terminate people who they believe negatively impact the company.

    But that story, like what we're discussing, all have nothing to do with the Hobby Lobby decision.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    I get that some may see the religious freedom of the business owner is important in denying coverages of some medical procedures, but what should my employer care what I do with my body and the insurance that I also pay for.

    Labor and Corporations will always be having disagreements, but I think many are missing my point of my first post. If it comes to individuals making choices that directly effect me, I trust the government more then a corporation. Others may not see it that way...
    To the bolded: If you aren't happy with the insurance that your employer provides, there is nothing mandating you to accept that insurance coverage. An individual is always free to find a better policy for himself.

    Personally, I trust government make laws, but not to make choices for me. I want my rights protected by the government, but not my personal decisions made for me.
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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Why do we even have to choose? Have we Americans gotten so programmable that ANY tyrant or dictatorship can simply step in and crack the whip?
    Excellent question. And I'm not even sure what the point of the post you responded to was anyway. We haven't come to a point that out lives should be controlled by anyone else.

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