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Thread: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Tbh, I've never really even thought about that. I tend to think it's not so much a porn issue, as a deeply ingrained human sexuality issue. Women are historically valued for their beauty, and we still think that way when we are older. Men are more likely to be valued for their intellect and monetary successes.
    But you agree that there's at least a chance that the answer to my previous question is Yes?
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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    Corporations have all the power when it comes to employees. This ruling just gave them a little more.
    Not exactly.

    Employers have control over what affects their bottom line, but not even complete control over that. The government controls most of the workplace environment, from workplace safety standards (OSHA), to minimum wages employers have to pay (FLSA, Davis-Bacon Act, Service Contract Act, Public Contracts Act), to what an employer can require an employee to do or not do (NLRA/NRLB), to how an employer has to interact with there employees (Taft-Hartley Act/NRLB), how an employer must maintain pay and/or benefits for their employees both during and after employment (FMLA, ERISA and COBRA), whether an employer can garnish wages for damages caused to the employers property by an employee (CPCA), what a company must do for their employees when the company goes out of business or just closes a location (Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act - aka WARN), and even... even who they have to hire and who they cannot chose to not hire (Equal Employment Opportunity Act - EEOC)... and may other controls the government has over corporations, companies and businesses.

    So again, no, not exactly.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    My employer has no power over me when I'm not working. Your employer holds power over you when you're not on their time? You may want to find another job.
    So you inhabit two parallel universes where nothing that happens while you are working has any effect on what happens when you are not working. No sick leave, poverty level wages, unpaid overtime, dimissal without cause, sexual harrasment - those only affect you during your work hours, and all of your off-hours are just another day in paradise.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by GailT View Post
    So you inhabit two parralel universes where nothing that happens while you are working has any effect on what happens when you are not working. No sick leave, poverty level wages, unpaid overtime, dimissal without cause, sexual harrasment - those only affect you during your work hours, and all of your off-hours are just another day in paradise.
    No, my boss can't sexually harass me when I'm in my house with my husband, and he is in his house with his wife.

    I get lots of sick leave. I use it if and when I need it.

    No, right now my employer can't dismiss me without cause. My company is closed and I'm in my house.

    I make 6 figures. Not worried about poverty wages here.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    But you agree that there's at least a chance that the answer to my previous question is Yes?
    Like I said, I haven't really even considered that. I tend to think that culture tends to follow human inclination rather than inclination following culture.
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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, my boss can't sexually harass me when I'm in my house with my husband, and he is in his house with his wife.

    I get lots of sick leave. I use it if and when I need it.

    No, right now my employer can't dismiss me without cause. My company is closed and I'm in my house.

    I make 6 figures. Not worried about poverty wages here.
    A lot of people with 6 figure incomes lost their jobs in the great recession and had a nasty introduction to life for the other 90%. And you are okay with the fact that you might get sexually harrased while on the job? And that does not affect you when you get home? You have a very myopic and compartmentalized view of the world.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Like I said, I haven't really even considered that. I tend to think that culture tends to follow human inclination rather than inclination following culture.
    And that, is where the point they are trying to make is debatable - whether we effect culture or culture affects us. In truth, it can be both, depending on a number of factors. Young people are more apt to be affected by culture in some areas (apathy for the rule of law, or rebellion against authority for instance) and culture can be affected by us (the sexual revolution - civil rights movement, etc.).

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by GailT View Post
    A lot of people with 6 figure incomes lost their jobs in the great recession and had a nasty introduction to life for the other 90%. And you are okay with the fact that you might get sexually harrased while on the job? And that does not affect you when you get home? You have a very myopic and compartmentalized view of the world.
    I didn't lose my job.

    What does any of this have to do with Hobby Lobby?

    And should I be scared that my boss is going to break into my house in the next few hours in an attempt to sexually harass me?

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    There are no consequences of the HL decision that will exert control over my life. Or Lizzie's. Or yours, unless you choose to let it - or
    unless you're an employee of Hobby Lobby.



    Or the husband, wife, son, daughter or other relative of an employee of Hobby Lobby.

    This decision affects a lot more people than just the employees of Hobby Lobby.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    If I had to choose who had control over my life, government or corporations... I would choose government. Just because of the slight chance voters would change the government.
    All this ruling does is give corporations more power which it seems the freedom loving GOP and their minions seem to be lapping up like cat to warm milk.
    I hope they are okay with corporations controlling their lives, since this is a slippery slope



    Some people in the GOP would like to get the U.S. government off of Wall Street's back and into every American bedroom.

    This is a step in that direction.

    I don't agree with this decision by the conservatives on the court, I believe that it will eventually be overturned because it violates the establishment clause of the 1st Amendment.




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