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Thread: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    this is true, but it also does not disprove my point. The altered consequences still exist and therefore you have to consider those altered consequences. Therefore some control over your life has been exerted.
    There is no way of proving that. Does a cultural change control my life, or do I choose how to (or not to) adapt those changes into my life? If I marry at age 18, to a guy who's a straight arrow, and we live a life according to our beliefs regarding right and wrong, does a changing sexual culture effect our lives really? I really doubt it. We may be exposed to more sexually graphic material and attitudes from the general population, but it doesn't mean that we change in response.
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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    There is no way of proving that. Does a cultural change control my life, or do I choose how to (or not to) adapt those changes into my life? If I marry at age 18, to a guy who's a straight arrow, and we live a life according to our beliefs regarding right and wrong, does a changing sexual culture effect our lives really? I really doubt it. We may be exposed to more sexually graphic material and attitudes from the general population, but it doesn't mean that we change in response.
    you changing as a person is not necessary for control to be exercised over your life. you may choose to fight that control by taking the "high road" but by fighting it, you are, in your actions admitting to its influence.

    your broader point is also true. There are other things besides corporations that exert control over people as well. Past choices, environmental factors such as the amount of particulates or even pollen in the air, the choices of the people around us, etc. Its all connected in a giant web.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    There are no consequences of the HL decision that will exert control over my life. Or Lizzie's. Or yours, unless you choose to let it - or unless you're an employee of Hobby Lobby.
    Again, I was answering your broader question.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    If I had to choose who had control over my life, government or corporations... I would choose government. Just because of the slight chance voters would change the government. All this ruling does is give corporations more power which it seems the freedom loving GOP and their minions seem to be lapping up like cat to warm milk. I hope they are okay with corporations controlling their lives, since this is a slippery slope
    We Conservative don't want anyone controlling our lives.

    You want the government controlling your life because they give away free stuff whereas corporations don't.
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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    How does a corporation get to control an employees life exactly?
    They tell them "no" occasionally...they hate that.
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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Frankly, I don't really see this as being much different from the same purposes of the Hyde Amendment, which was passed back in the 70's, to prevent taxpayer money funding of abortion. I know the intent and method is different, but they are both issues regarding payment for something which is conscientiously objected to, by a certain segment of the population.

    It is about abortion funding, not birth control. If it were about birth control, HL would have objected to the other birth control medications/methods as well as the abortifacients.
    True!

    and it reaffirmed this.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    This is actually all true, but I disagree that it is a bad thing or that its worthy of sarcasm. Sometimes that control is helpful. If it helps people fit into a modern society due to negative consequences, then I don't see the problem with it (not under every circumstance, but generally, I see it as a good thing)

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    It wasn't the illegals specifically that I was referring to. You should hear some of the horror stories that HR people tell about the general attitude of newcomers to the job market! I don't know if it's the schools that are responsible, or just the "I want it, and I want it now - on my terms" generation! My granddaughter came to my house in a fit of pique recently - waving her first paycheck. "Look at how much money they took for taxes," she screamed! "I'm just going to have to demand a raise!" After I welcomed her to the real world, I explained why asking for a raise after working for two weeks was probably not the smartest move she'll ever make. She is now p***ed at the government - so add another name to the list! :

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Hello to you!

    It wasn't the illegals specifically that I was referring to. You should hear some of the horror stories that HR people tell about the general attitude of newcomers to the job market! I don't know if it's the schools that are responsible, or just the "I want it, and I want it now - on my terms" generation! My granddaughter came to my house in a fit of pique recently - waving her first paycheck. "Look at how much money they took for taxes," she screamed! "I'm just going to have to demand a raise!" After I welcomed her to the real world, I explained why asking for a raise after working for two weeks was probably not the smartest move she'll ever make. She is now p***ed at the government - so add another name to the list! :
    I don't see what this has to do with my response

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    yes, but this does not disprove my point. The tie in to the greater point is that it will likely affect other choices corporations will make which will again exert an influence and therefor a manner of control (because influence basically is control, I could influence you to make a choice if I had a gun and a demand for example, but you would still make your own choice based on the consequences you perceive).
    You're missing the major point that the "Corporation" has no mandate power over you. The Government does and has exercised it.
    And just to bring it back to the point of the thread (which you were griping about elsewhere), the SC said in the matter of HL they could not.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    You're missing the major point that the "Corporation" has no mandate power over you. The Government does and has exercised it.
    And just to bring it back to the point of the thread (which you were griping about elsewhere), the SC said in the matter of HL they could not.
    OK they don't have one form of power. But in the end, power is power, only methods may be different

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