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Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

What did SCOTUS decide?


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Tbh, I've never really even thought about that. I tend to think it's not so much a porn issue, as a deeply ingrained human sexuality issue. Women are historically valued for their beauty, and we still think that way when we are older. Men are more likely to be valued for their intellect and monetary successes.

But you agree that there's at least a chance that the answer to my previous question is Yes?
 
Corporations have all the power when it comes to employees. This ruling just gave them a little more.

Not exactly.

Employers have control over what affects their bottom line, but not even complete control over that. The government controls most of the workplace environment, from workplace safety standards (OSHA), to minimum wages employers have to pay (FLSA, Davis-Bacon Act, Service Contract Act, Public Contracts Act), to what an employer can require an employee to do or not do (NLRA/NRLB), to how an employer has to interact with there employees (Taft-Hartley Act/NRLB), how an employer must maintain pay and/or benefits for their employees both during and after employment (FMLA, ERISA and COBRA), whether an employer can garnish wages for damages caused to the employers property by an employee (CPCA), what a company must do for their employees when the company goes out of business or just closes a location (Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act - aka WARN), and even... even who they have to hire and who they cannot chose to not hire (Equal Employment Opportunity Act - EEOC)... and may other controls the government has over corporations, companies and businesses.

So again, no, not exactly.
 
My employer has no power over me when I'm not working. Your employer holds power over you when you're not on their time? You may want to find another job.

So you inhabit two parallel universes where nothing that happens while you are working has any effect on what happens when you are not working. No sick leave, poverty level wages, unpaid overtime, dimissal without cause, sexual harrasment - those only affect you during your work hours, and all of your off-hours are just another day in paradise.
 
So you inhabit two parralel universes where nothing that happens while you are working has any effect on what happens when you are not working. No sick leave, poverty level wages, unpaid overtime, dimissal without cause, sexual harrasment - those only affect you during your work hours, and all of your off-hours are just another day in paradise.

No, my boss can't sexually harass me when I'm in my house with my husband, and he is in his house with his wife.

I get lots of sick leave. I use it if and when I need it.

No, right now my employer can't dismiss me without cause. My company is closed and I'm in my house.

I make 6 figures. Not worried about poverty wages here.
 
But you agree that there's at least a chance that the answer to my previous question is Yes?

Like I said, I haven't really even considered that. I tend to think that culture tends to follow human inclination rather than inclination following culture.
 
No, my boss can't sexually harass me when I'm in my house with my husband, and he is in his house with his wife.

I get lots of sick leave. I use it if and when I need it.

No, right now my employer can't dismiss me without cause. My company is closed and I'm in my house.

I make 6 figures. Not worried about poverty wages here.

A lot of people with 6 figure incomes lost their jobs in the great recession and had a nasty introduction to life for the other 90%. And you are okay with the fact that you might get sexually harrased while on the job? And that does not affect you when you get home? You have a very myopic and compartmentalized view of the world.
 
Like I said, I haven't really even considered that. I tend to think that culture tends to follow human inclination rather than inclination following culture.

And that, is where the point they are trying to make is debatable - whether we effect culture or culture affects us. In truth, it can be both, depending on a number of factors. Young people are more apt to be affected by culture in some areas (apathy for the rule of law, or rebellion against authority for instance) and culture can be affected by us (the sexual revolution - civil rights movement, etc.).
 
A lot of people with 6 figure incomes lost their jobs in the great recession and had a nasty introduction to life for the other 90%. And you are okay with the fact that you might get sexually harrased while on the job? And that does not affect you when you get home? You have a very myopic and compartmentalized view of the world.

I didn't lose my job.

What does any of this have to do with Hobby Lobby?

And should I be scared that my boss is going to break into my house in the next few hours in an attempt to sexually harass me?
 
There are no consequences of the HL decision that will exert control over my life. Or Lizzie's. Or yours, unless you choose to let it - or
unless you're an employee of Hobby Lobby.




Or the husband, wife, son, daughter or other relative of an employee of Hobby Lobby.

This decision affects a lot more people than just the employees of Hobby Lobby.
 
If I had to choose who had control over my life, government or corporations... I would choose government. Just because of the slight chance voters would change the government.
All this ruling does is give corporations more power which it seems the freedom loving GOP and their minions seem to be lapping up like cat to warm milk.
I hope they are okay with corporations controlling their lives, since this is a slippery slope




Some people in the GOP would like to get the U.S. government off of Wall Street's back and into every American bedroom.

This is a step in that direction.

I don't agree with this decision by the conservatives on the court, I believe that it will eventually be overturned because it violates the establishment clause of the 1st Amendment.




"Better days are coming." But not for the out of touch, running out of time, GOP
 
Generally speaking no one can force you to do anything that you don't want to do.

Not legally anyways..
 
This is not always that easy in a lot of situations for a lot of people.
 
Frankly, I don't really see this as being much different from the same purposes of the Hyde Amendment, which was passed back in the 70's, to prevent taxpayer money funding of abortion. I know the intent and method is different, but they are both issues regarding payment for something which is conscientiously objected to, by a certain segment of the population.

It is about abortion funding, not birth control.
If it were about birth control, HL would have objected to the other birth control medications/methods as well as the abortifacients.




Abortion is a form of birth control.

A fetus that is aborted doesn't go on to live a happy life.
 
And it still didn't answer my question.

Corporations don't exert control over me unless I choose to engage them.
As I sit here typing, what control is, for instance, Boeing or Hallmark exerting over me?



Every corporation on this planet targets everyone who spends any time on the internet with advertising based on what seems to appeal to that individual based on what they do on the internet.
 
The HL decision won't impact me at all.
There is no control exerted on my life, nor on the lives of the HL employees for that matter.




The additional expense that some Hobby Lobby employees will have for birth control has to impact their lifes in some way.
 
The question is what SCOTUS decided, not what Hobby Lobby wanted. Catholics are against all forms birth control, does this decision give a corporation owned by Catholics give relief from the mandate?
Is Alito Catholic?




According to Wiki he is.
 
you changing as a person is not necessary for control to be exercised over your life. you may choose to fight that control by taking the "high road" but by fighting it, you are, in your actions admitting to its influence.

your broader point is also true. There are other things besides corporations that exert control over people as well. Past choices, environmental factors such as the amount of particulates or even pollen in the air, the choices of the people around us, etc.
Its all connected in a giant web.




Like the internet.

What one person posts affects other people.

Even if it's only the time that they waste reading that post.
 
There are 6 Roman Catholics on the Supreme court, and 5 of them are men who represent the conservative wing of Catholicism.

We should start calling it the Roman Catholic Supreme Court.
 
Abortion is a form of birth control.

A fetus that is aborted doesn't go on to live a happy life.

Yes, unfortunately, some women do used it as a form of birth control. I don't care what they do personally, I just have an aversion to funding abortion, which is the same issue that HL had.
 
We Conservative don't want anyone controlling our lives.

You want the government controlling your life because they give away free stuff whereas corporations don't.




The only thing that's free on this planet is the air (Which isn't hardly worth breathing at some locations.).

Everything else has a cost attached to it which someone has to pay.
 
Yes, unfortunately, some women do used it as a form of birth control. I don't care what they do personally,
I just have an aversion to funding abortion, which is the same issue that HL had.




I am also, in general opposed to abortion.

But I don't believe that I have the right to make other peoples decisions on this for them (Or to tell them what kind of beer to drink.).




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
 
Yes, unfortunately, some women do used it as a form of birth control. I don't care what they do personally, I just have an aversion to funding abortion, which is the same issue that HL had.

HL had a problem specifically with birth control, and the Roman Catholic Supreme Court applied the decision to all forms of birth control. And in any case, they are not paying birth control. Employees earn their health insurance as part of their compensation package. HL does not pay for insurance as a "gift" to their employees. The best solution is to move to single payer health care, similar to Medicare, and get corporations out of the business of making decisions about what type of health care we have.
 
It's still the government that makes the laws we must live under, though. They can be challenged, and they regularly are, but that's to be expected and encouraged since we are a Constitutional Republic. You can't expect anything else,
since it's impossible to please all the people all the time.








And pretty much a waste of time to even try.
 
I am also, in general opposed to abortion.

But I don't believe that I have the right to make other peoples decisions on this for them (Or to tell them what kind of beer to drink.).




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll

I don't either. My only issue is the funding. Otherwise, I don't care what you do, if it's legal.
 
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