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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    How does a corporation get to control an employees life exactly?
    They are significant contributors to the environment and choices one finds in their daily routine. While this is not direct control, it is a form of control.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    They are significant contributors to the environment and choices one finds in their daily routine. While this is not direct control, it is a form of control.
    If you are talking about the HL ruling, there isn't any form of control as far as their employees are concerned.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    If I had to choose who had control over my life, government or corporations... I would choose government. Just because of the slight chance voters would change the government. All this ruling does is give corporations more power which it seems the freedom loving GOP and their minions seem to be lapping up like cat to warm milk. I hope they are okay with corporations controlling their lives, since this is a slippery slope
    I am curious as to why personal freedom, i.e. yourself, is not included as a possibility. Allowing a person (or corporation) to be exempt from a gov't mandate is hardly letting them control your life.
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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    If you are talking about the HL ruling, there isn't any form of control as far as their employees are concerned.
    I was answering your general question on how corporations exert control over the populace.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I was answering your general question on how corporations exert control over the populace.
    And it still didn't answer my question.

    Corporations don't exert control over me unless I choose to engage them. As I sit here typing, what control is, for instance, Boeing or Hallmark exerting over me?

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    And it still didn't answer my question.

    Corporations don't exert control over me unless I choose to engage them. As I sit here typing, what control is, for instance, Boeing or Hallmark exerting over me?
    Nope. Corporations exert influence on your life whether you choose to engage with them or not. For example, hallmark has a huge say in the tone and manner (and price) of greeting cards. While this influence is minor, it does influence your life and changes the viability and feedback from your choices even if choose a competitor's card or make your own. This control may be good or bad and chances are most people don't consider it important, but nevertheless it exists.

    Another example would be porn. It exerts a great influence over culture and that impacts everyone.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Nope. Corporations exert influence on your life whether you choose to engage with them or not. For example, hallmark has a huge say in the tone and manner (and price) of greeting cards. While this influence is minor, it does influence your life and changes the viability and feedback from your choices even if choose a competitor's card or make your own. This control may be good or bad and chances are most people don't consider it important, but nevertheless it exists.
    So then if I'm offended by the tone and manner of the Hallmark card offerings, I'm of course free to open up my own business to offer tone and manner that appeals to me. Or simply not purchase the Hallmark products.

    Of course, none of this has anything to do with the SCOTUS ruling on the Hobby Lobby case.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    If I had to choose who had control over my life, government or corporations... I would choose government. Just because of the slight chance voters would change the government. All this ruling does is give corporations more power which it seems the freedom loving GOP and their minions seem to be lapping up like cat to warm milk. I hope they are okay with corporations controlling their lives, since this is a slippery slope
    Exactly. Easier to change a government for the people, by the people, than something that is not a part of your government.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Nope. Corporations exert influence on your life whether you choose to engage with them or not. For example, hallmark has a huge say in the tone and manner (and price) of greeting cards. While this influence is minor, it does influence your life and changes the viability and feedback from your choices even if choose a competitor's card or make your own. This control may be good or bad and chances are most people don't consider it important, but nevertheless it exists.

    Another example would be porn. It exerts a great influence over culture and that impacts everyone.
    Only to the extent that I let it. Porn is a huge industry, and we have no doubt seen some relaxing of sexual standards over the past few decades, but was it because porn had an influence, or has there been an increase in the porn industry as a result of changing standards? I tend to think it's probably the latter. Porn hasn't influenced my life a bit, as far as I am aware.
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    Re: Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decided?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So then if I'm offended by the tone and manner of the Hallmark card offerings, I'm of course free to open up my own business to offer tone and manner that appeals to me. Or simply not purchase the Hallmark products.

    Of course, none of this has anything to do with the SCOTUS ruling on the Hobby Lobby case.
    yes, but this does not disprove my point. The tie in to the greater point is that it will likely affect other choices corporations will make which will again exert an influence and therefor a manner of control (because influence basically is control, I could influence you to make a choice if I had a gun and a demand for example, but you would still make your own choice based on the consequences you perceive).

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