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Is there any possible justification for what is happening in the Video

Is there a circumstance in which the officer is Justified?

  • Yes

    Votes: 1 6.3%

  • No

    Votes: 15 93.8%
  • Total voters
    16
Zinthaniel said:
He was a highway officer.

Traffic wasn't stopped. It's los Angeles the freeways are always packed.

She was walking in the freeway. On the side.

Yes. Highway cops will leave their vehicle if necessary.

here is further information.
California Highway Patrol Beats Barefoot Bag Lady | The Daily Caller
The woman was homeless and barefoot.
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Being a "Highway Patrolman" does not mean you walk on the highway. He was there for a reason, and the people filming the incident were filiming it for a reason. Things had transpired prior to what we are being shown, which is obvious from what was said by the people filming the incident. The people filming the incident imply the individual should have been arrested and that she had done something which warranted the police action. It may very well have been excessive or abusive. But until you know, you are spewing.
 
VanceMack said:
Why was the cop there? Why was traffic stopped? What was she doing before the cop intervened? Is foot traffic on a freeway 'normal'?
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Only if you're 5150.

Freeways in California are called impact ranges for pedestrians. That's why it's illegal to walk on freeways in California.
 
Donc said:
SOoo...being 5150ed is justification behind the orange curtain for be pounded into the concrete by one of California's finest eh?:roll:
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This happened on the I-10 (Santa Monica Freeway) in the Capital of the Third World, formerly known as Los Angeles. In fact the on ramp you see is at La Brea, maybe 30 miles from the "Orange Curtain."

We don't have any 5150's behind the Orange Curtain, we dump them off in Santa Anna unless they are real nut cases then we dump them in L.A.
 
VanceMack said:
Probably not, but since none of us know what was actually happening and what led to the event or why he felt the need to act, all you can really do is speculate.

If you watch the video and listen, you will hear the guy that is filming it give some small level of insight into what it was about. But beyond a few sentences and some admittedly very damning video, all you really have is...well...nothing.
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I will grant you that.

But I can't see how she posed any threat to the officer once she was on the ground, crazy or not.

That video made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up... :sick:
 
VanceMack said:
Being a "Highway Patrolman" does not mean you walk on the highway. He was there for a reason, and the people filming the incident were filiming it for a reason. Things had transpired prior to what we are being shown, which is obvious from what was said by the people filming the incident. The people filming the incident imply the individual should have been arrested and that she had done something which warranted the police action. It may very well have been excessive or abusive. But until you know, you are spewing.
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The officer and every source covering the incident simply state that the woman was walking on the highway nothing more nothing less. It is illegal to walk on the highway, but that doesn't call for beating someone's face in.
 
VanceMack said:
Being a "Highway Patrolman" does not mean you walk on the highway. He was there for a reason, and the people filming the incident were filiming it for a reason. Things had transpired prior to what we are being shown, which is obvious from what was said by the people filming the incident. The people filming the incident imply the individual should have been arrested and that she had done something which warranted the police action. It may very well have been excessive or abusive. But until you know, you are spewing.
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And you can hear the people filming the incident were laughing. I wonder why ? Maybe they knew she was 5150 ?
 
If that's what you believe constitutes 'graphic violence', I'd sincerely hate for you stray from your cosy, white picket enclaves into those scary darey real world environs (Yes children, your white collar parents lied; they do exist). Some places, that couldn't even qualify as a lovers' tiff. lulz

Better stay glued to Hill Street, peeps. Glass of wine. Flower beds. Frat house nostalgia. Objet d'art and decking.

Hands across (middle-class) America. Can I get a Hellz Yeah!?
 
APACHERAT said:
That's why women shouldn't serve in combat.
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Ummm... no. Just no.

That's why I shouldn't serve in combat. I'm a grown-up and I own my weaknesses.

To project that on to *all* women is ridiculous.
 
APACHERAT said:
And you can hear the people filming the incident were laughing. I wonder why ? Maybe they knew she was 5150 ?
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DOnt know if she was or wasnt. All we know for sure is that there was SOME sort of incident requiring police presence on a freeway.
 
Doppelgangirl said:
I will grant you that.

But I can't see how she posed any threat to the officer once she was on the ground, crazy or not.

That video made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up... :sick:
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I dont know the details on this incident but by way of friendly information...if a police officers orders you to stop...you stop (added urgency if you are on foot on a freeway). If a police officer attempts to apprehend you, dont fight back and dont resist.

Ive found in my 52 years that it is actually REALLY easy to NOT be subjected to police violence.

I was finishing a crisis call a few years back wehn an incident broke out in the waiting room of the ER we ended up at. A young servicemember had threatened to shoot everyone in the waiting room. I went out, controlled the situation, got the guy settled down, got him seated, and got him to agree to accompany me back for an assessment and lab work. When he put his hands up, a dozen or more officers pounced on the guy. He resisted...they subdued him. I was pissed at the officers and I felt their response was excessive. I had the situation under control and there was no way he would trust me after that. But...he HAD gone into a full ER waiting room and threatened to shoot everyone in the waiting room. We didnt know if he had a gun or not. They werent taking chances.

I dont know what happened on that freeway that put the two in that situation. I suspect there is more to it than "random cop assaulted random homeless woman". It may very well have been excessive. We just dont know.
 
Zinthaniel said:
The officer and every source covering the incident simply state that the woman was walking on the highway nothing more nothing less. It is illegal to walk on the highway, but that doesn't call for beating someone's face in.
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It is not uncommon for law enforcement officials to attempt to subdue individuals by striking them. She was clearly resisting him and they were on a freeway.

Listen to the audio. There was more to what was going on than a cop deciding to jump out of his car and beat up a homeless woman. I suspect you have no capacity to hear or see what you have already made up your mind to hear and see.
 
VanceMack said:
It is not uncommon for law enforcement officials to attempt to subdue individuals by striking them. She was clearly resisting him and they were on a freeway.

Listen to the audio. There was more to what was going on than a cop deciding to jump out of his car and beat up a homeless woman. I suspect you have no capacity to hear or see what you have already made up your mind to hear and see.
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I can see clearly in the video that even after the woman stops resisting as she is on the ground and is simply guarding her face that the cop continues to beat on her. Right at the 28 second mark - the women is on her side cowering and the cop continues to punch her in the head. Sorry I'm not buying your bull**** excuses for police brutality.
 
VanceMack said:
I dont know the details on this incident but by way of friendly information...if a police officers orders you to stop...you stop (added urgency if you are on foot on a freeway). If a police officer attempts to apprehend you, dont fight back and dont resist.

Ive found in my 52 years that it is actually REALLY easy to NOT be subjected to police violence.

I was finishing a crisis call a few years back wehn an incident broke out in the waiting room of the ER we ended up at. A young servicemember had threatened to shoot everyone in the waiting room. I went out, controlled the situation, got the guy settled down, got him seated, and got him to agree to accompany me back for an assessment and lab work. When he put his hands up, a dozen or more officers pounced on the guy. He resisted...they subdued him. I was pissed at the officers and I felt their response was excessive. I had the situation under control and there was no way he would trust me after that. But...he HAD gone into a full ER waiting room and threatened to shoot everyone in the waiting room. We didnt know if he had a gun or not. They werent taking chances.

I dont know what happened on that freeway that put the two in that situation. I suspect there is more to it than "random cop assaulted random homeless woman". It may very well have been excessive. We just dont know.
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:agree

We will probably never know.

However, IMHO the video clearly shows the immediate threat (assuming there was one), whatever it may have been, was no longer an *immediate* threat to anybody.

The officer went overboard.
 
Zinthaniel said:
I can see clearly in the video that even after the woman stops resisting as she is on the ground and is simply guarding her face that the cop continues to beat on her. Right at the 28 second mark - the women is on her side cowering and the cop continues to punch her in the head. Sorry I'm not buying your bull**** excuses for police brutality.
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No...you cant 'see' that because until the other individual arrives she never stops resisting.

No one is making any excuses or even stating the officer was justified...merely stating there is possibly more to the story than your narrow minded bias will allow you to see.
 
Doppelgangirl said:
:agree

We will probably never know.

However, IMHO the video clearly shows the immediate threat (assuming there was one), whatever it may have been, was no longer an *immediate* threat to anybody.

The officer went overboard.
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Quite possibly. Thats what the review board is for.
 
VanceMack said:
No...you cant 'see' that because until the other individual arrives she never stops resisting.

No one is making any excuses or even stating the officer was justified...merely stating there is possibly more to the story than your narrow minded bias will allow you to see.
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Um Yes I and anyone with eyes who is watching the video can. At the 28 second mark the women is literally only guarding her face, despite this the cop continues to punch her in the head.
 
Zinthaniel said:
Um Yes I and anyone with eyes who is watching the video can. At the 28 second mark the women is literally only guarding her face, despite this the cop continues to punch her in the head.
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What did she do at 32 seconds into the video. And at what point did she cover her head? And what transpired prior to the video?
 
VanceMack said:
Quite possibly. Thats what the review board is for.
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I will attempt to put my cynicism aside...

They tend to "have each others backs" in these situations, though. Which is true of most professions.

But police conduct/decisions affect the general public so much more...

Again... *attempting* to put my cynicism aside.....
 
Doppelgangirl said:
I will attempt to put my cynicism aside...

They tend to "have each others backs" in these situations, though. Which is true of most professions.

But police conduct/decisions affect the general public so much more...

Again... *attempting* to put my cynicism aside.....
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Im not certain but RELATIVELY sure that LA has an independent civilian review board. But...we will see.
 
VanceMack said:
DOnt know if she was or wasnt. All we know for sure is that there was SOME sort of incident requiring police presence on a freeway.
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I'm going to assume that the vehicle that you see parked off on the shoulder is that of the off duty police officer who came to the assistance of the CHP officer.

He pulled off to the shoulder for some reason, he must have seen something happening up the road that caused him to pull over.

Then you have the individuals who were taking the video, they were laughing before the CHP tried to apprehend the lady and kept on laughing. They must of saw what took place before they started videoing the incident. It's not normal to laugh when a cop is beating someone unless you're 5150.

Maybe they did video what took place before the beating but it was left out for a reason ?

USC Medical Center said there was no injuries to the woman. And she's sitting in the mental ward right now.

Who knows, the CHP officer might have saved the lady's life from being runover by a car ?
 
VanceMack said:
What did she do at 32 seconds into the video. And what transpired prior to the video?
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If answered this question three times now with a source. The cop himself already stated the woman was guilty of nothing but walking in the highway that is why he accosted her. The question then is in what circumstance does a full grown man, one who is clearly fit, feel it is necessary to punch woman in the fashion that he did. I've seen regular men in bars ascertain drunk women with less violence than this officer.

Video shows officer punching woman on LA freeway | Fox News
 
Donc said:
YES! there is justification. It’s called walking while black.:2wave:
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There we go using "the race card." Racism in America no longer exists...unless we're talking about people who voted for Obama obviously just because he's black or rather half black.
 
Zinthaniel said:
If answered this question three times now with a source. The cop himself already stated the woman was guilty of nothing but walking in the highway that is why he accosted her. The question then is in what circumstance does a full grown man, one who is clearly fit, feel it is necessary to punch woman in the fashion that he did. I've seen regular men in bars ascertain drunk women with less violence than this officer.

Video shows officer punching woman on LA freeway | Fox News
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Your own source states the woman presented a threat to herself and others, and that there is more to the incident than what is being shown.

What transpired prior to the video being shown? Why does the individual that is filming the incident state "and then they say police brutality" and encourage the officer to "arrest her"?

We know about 14 seconds worth of what actually transpired. It may very well be that the use of force was unwarranted and excessive. It may be the use of force was warranted BUT excessive. And it may be that the use of force was both warranted and not excessive. We wont know that until we know more than a few seconds blended with a whole lot of bias.
 
VanceMack said:
Your own source states the woman presented a threat to herself and others, and that there is more to the incident than what is being shown.
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Yes, I have conceded that she was walking in the highway, which is obviously dangerous. The source simply says that the whole incident was not filmed however the chief relays what was put on the incident report via the cop in question.

O'Quinn said the incident report listed no injuries for the woman, who would not give her name. She is undergoing psychiatric evaluation, he said.

He said the officer was answering a report of a pedestrian on the freeway. When he found the woman, she started walking down an off-ramp and then turned around, walked back onto the freeway and started wandering into lanes, O'Quinn said. That's when the incident occurred.
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If there was any other outstanding information, It would be included, especially if it would justify the cops actions. All that said there is nothing that justifies choosing to beat the women rather than just apprehend her.

Also the man who captured the video, the one talking, is not in agreement with the officer as can be confirmed here in this link in which he is actually questioned. He gives his first hand account of the situation. Another witness in the same link, again someone who was actually there, says the women posed no threat.

Video Shows CHP Officer Repeatedly Hitting Woman | NBC Southern California

What transpired prior to the video being shown?
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The question is answered in the link. The women was walking in the highway.
Why does the individual that is filming the incident state "and then they say police brutality" and encourage the officer to "arrest her"?
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I don't know why and neither do you. The whole conversation is out of any context. Either way nothing said dismisses what is shown in that video. Which is a weaponless women being beat down by a cop.


We know about 14 seconds worth of what actually transpired. It may very well be that the use of force was unwarranted and excessive.
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Ding Ding Ding

And it may be that the use of force was both warranted and not excessive.
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How? In what circumstance are the actions necessary against a weaponless, barefoot woman in a dress.
We wont know that until we know more than a few seconds blended with a whole lot of bias.
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The cop will get off either way. Regardless if what he did was unwarranted.
 
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