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    Re: Is there any possible justification for what is happening in the Video

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Still, a punch is a punch. Holding her down until the other person got there would have accomplished the same thing without the bad press. And I have to say that I find an officer punching anyone who didn't throw a punch at him is out of line. My SIL who is 75 and very frail was stopped one night on the way home from a meeting and the officer slammed her up against the car. I know my SIL. She doesn't mouth off to anyone, and certainly wouldn't have to a police officer. Out population is aging, and handling an elderly person roughly just because you can is really out of line.

    I worked with a lot of people who do things like that woman did. She was probably psychotic. It is illegal for you or I to punch an elderly or disabled person. No good reason for what he did.
    He could not get ahold of her hands/arms. He tried several times before he punched her, while she was hitting at him, likely scratching him, and who knows what else. Considering how she was positioned right after he got her to the ground, it is also possible that she kneed him in the stomach or lower. The point is, we don't know what went on. But we do know that she

    It is no more illegal for you to punch an elderly or disabled person than it is for you to punch a 250lb man who is built like a wall. If you simply punch them, then that is assault. However, if you are defending yourself, that actually can be justification, depending on how far you take it. In this case, it is possible that had this been simply a civilian woman who tried to stop the woman from crossing the street, then ended up in a physical altercation in the exact same manner as this officer had, that the civilian woman would not have been charged with assault (particularly not if the other woman had no injuries, which is the case here) or that she would get off really easy, if not completely, if assault charges were filed.

    The only difference between what was done here and what a civilian could do is that the civilian could not have forcefully tried to pull the woman from the road, until she actually tried to step out into it. The police officer has a right to do this, to both protect the woman and people driving on the road (who may cause accidents trying to avoid hitting her if she walked in the middle of the freeway, which she had already done on the onramp to the freeway).
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    Re: Is there any possible justification for what is happening in the Video

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    How do you know she was a citizen ?
    Jumped to the conclusion. Possible she wasn't. But it is hard to see that the police should be allowed to treat say a Swede in that way either.

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    Re: Is there any possible justification for what is happening in the Video

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Jumped to the conclusion. Possible she wasn't. But it is hard to see that the police should be allowed to treat say a Swede in that way either.
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    Re: Is there any possible justification for what is happening in the Video

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Obvious the lady is a 5150.
    I'm pretty sure that in California the definition of 5150 is:
    When a person, as a result of a mental health disorder, is a danger to others, or to himself or herself

    In this particular instance, I believe that the officer fits the description better than the woman being assaulted.

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    Re: Is there any possible justification for what is happening in the Video

    The weird thing is, everyone secretly thinks it's funny.

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    Re: Is there any possible justification for what is happening in the Video

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    I'm pretty sure that in California the definition of 5150 is:
    When a person, as a result of a mental health disorder, is a danger to others, or to himself or herself

    In this particular instance, I believe that the officer fits the description better than the woman being assaulted.
    The lady was walking into traffic lanes on one of the heaviest traveled sections of the Interstate Highway System.
    Definitely a 5150.

    The CHP officer probably saved her life.

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    Re: Is there any possible justification for what is happening in the Video

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The lady was walking into traffic lanes on one of the heaviest traveled sections of the Interstate Highway System.
    Definitely a 5150.

    The CHP officer probably saved her life.
    Obviously, I'll hold my verdict until a review board rules on the matter, but as a third party I could see many better ways to handle the situation. Part of the California POST curriculum deals directly with restraining moves, which prohibit the movement of an active individual, without the need to pummel them in the face.

    In looking at the video, the officer in question appears to have totally forgotten his training and jumped straight into a panic-style tackle.

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    Re: Is there any possible justification for what is happening in the Video

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    Obviously, I'll hold my verdict until a review board rules on the matter, but as a third party I could see many better ways to handle the situation. Part of the California POST curriculum deals directly with restraining moves, which prohibit the movement of an active individual, without the need to pummel them in the face.

    In looking at the video, the officer in question appears to have totally forgotten his training and jumped straight into a panic-style tackle.
    Did you see the video that showed what transpired three minutes before ?

    I didn't think so, because there is no video.

    Did you see the interview of the person who took the video and he explained why he was laughing so much ? I did.

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    Re: Is there any possible justification for what is happening in the Video

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Did you see the video that showed what transpired three minutes before ?
    I agree, which is partially why I said I'd reserve my final judgement until after a review board has ruled on the matter.

    That being said, I did carefully watch this video, and noticed that the officer was calmly standing at the beginning of the clip. I also noticed that his approach and initial detainment were all wrong.

    Brute force should never be used to compensate for a lack of proper technique, when it comes to restraining a citizen.


    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Did you see the interview of the person who took the video and he explained why he was laughing so much ? I did.
    I have not, and would be very interested to see as much.

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    Re: Is there any possible justification for what is happening in the Video

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I'm going to assume that the vehicle that you see parked off on the shoulder is that of the off duty police officer who came to the assistance of the CHP officer.

    He pulled off to the shoulder for some reason, he must have seen something happening up the road that caused him to pull over.

    Then you have the individuals who were taking the video, they were laughing before the CHP tried to apprehend the lady and kept on laughing. They must of saw what took place before they started videoing the incident. It's not normal to laugh when a cop is beating someone unless you're 5150.

    Maybe they did video what took place before the beating but it was left out for a reason ?

    USC Medical Center said there was no injuries to the woman. And she's sitting in the mental ward right now.

    Who knows, the CHP officer might have saved the lady's life from being runover by a car ?
    I just can't get past the idea that you think it is normal to laugh when someone is getting beaten when that someone is 5150. I think that is bizarre.
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