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    Re: Does it violate my 2nd amendment rights if my employer doesn't buy me a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No one has a right to contraceptives. They do have a right to a gun. But you have to provide for it yourself. No one has to sell anyone anything.
    People have as much of a right to contraceptives as they do a gun... the government has no legal standing in telling you if you can have or not have either.
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    Re: Does it violate my 2nd amendment rights if my employer doesn't buy me a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    NO.

    Your employer can ban you from bringing, selling, or using your firearm[s] at work.
    Some ignore that ban though... but they intend to go out with a bang so it doesn't matter to them.
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    Re: Does it violate my 2nd amendment rights if my employer doesn't buy me a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    That said, I can see this potentially snowballing - suppose someone starts a religion and one of the tenets is that you do not pay taxes (or perhaps some specific form of tax)?
    This has to be in the Bible somewhere... quick, look it up. Only 9 more months until April.
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    Re: Does it violate my 2nd amendment rights if my employer doesn't buy me a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    People have as much of a right to contraceptives as they do a gun... the government has no legal standing in telling you if you can have or not have either.
    No, actually they don't. But I tell ya what, show me one single court case that says that getting contraceptives is a right then I'll take your side.

    And yes, the government can tell you that you cannot have something. Don't believe me? Try and own a nuke.
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    Re: Does it violate my 2nd amendment rights if my employer doesn't buy me a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No, actually they don't. But I tell ya what, show me one single court case that says that getting contraceptives is a right then I'll take your side.

    And yes, the government can tell you that you cannot have something. Don't believe me? Try and own a nuke.
    It doesn't work like that. I am free to walk into any store that sells contraceptives and buy them. No ID required. Felonies do not matter, citizenship, etc.

    And my "legal" point is not about weapons or drugs or slaves... it is about the right to have contraceptives. Unless you show ME a case where the government has denied a person from buy them, you should take my side. See how that works?
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    Re: Does it violate my 2nd amendment rights if my employer doesn't buy me a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It doesn't work like that. I am free to walk into any store that sells contraceptives and buy them. No ID required. Felonies do not matter, citizenship, etc.

    And my "legal" point is not about weapons or drugs or slaves... it is about the right to have contraceptives. Unless you show ME a case where the government has denied a person from buy them, you should take my side. See how that works?
    Except of course people do have the right to refuse service to you so long as they do it on a basis that isn't under one of the protected classes. People do not have to sell their goods to you.

    Having the ability to buy something is not the same as having the right to that something.

    And no, I do not have to show you a case where the government has denied a person from buying them. You made that claim that having contraceptives is a Right. You have to provide proof that it is.

    However I will ask you a rhetorical question, just who is it that regulates whether a contraceptive is allowed on the market or not? The FDA. Which is a part of the government. They can pull any contraceptive from the market that they want and has no doubt denied some contraceptives from being put on the market. Would you deny that this is so?
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    Re: Does it violate my 2nd amendment rights if my employer doesn't buy me a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    So? What is the fundamental difference between me buying birth control or me paying for a policy that buys it for you?

    I think the problem here isn't 'dumb right wing analogies' but power hungry left wing totalitarians that want to use the power of the state to force everyone to bend to their will. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the concept of a free society rather than insulting everyone who objects to your arbitrary use of force.
    The difference is a thin one, but technically, its a benefit. Like StarBucks credit to StarBucks employees. Even if its part of your policy, you don't have to have it, and even if you have it, you don't have to use it. Also, they aren't providing birth control; they are providing access to birth control. Technically, paying their employees money does the same thing.
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    Re: Does it violate my 2nd amendment rights if my employer doesn't buy me a gun?

    What's next??...what if a JW business owner decides that any employee in need of a blood tranfusion would not be a paid for/covered as an insurance provided medical service because it goes against their religious belief?

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    Re: Does it violate my 2nd amendment rights if my employer doesn't buy me a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Except of course people do have the right to refuse service to you so long as they do it on a basis that isn't under one of the protected classes. People do not have to sell their goods to you.
    And? The same is true of guns.

    And no, I do not have to show you a case where the government has denied a person from buying them. You made that claim that having contraceptives is a Right. You have to provide proof that it is.
    Appellants claimed that the accessory statute, as applied, violated the Fourteenth Amendment. An intermediate appellate court and the State's highest court affirmed the judgment.

    Griswold v. Connecticut :: 381 U.S. 479 (1965) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center

    Eisenstadt v. Baird :: 405 U.S. 438 (1972) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center

    However I will ask you a rhetorical question, just who is it that regulates whether a contraceptive is allowed on the market or not? The FDA. Which is a part of the government. They can pull any contraceptive from the market that they want and has no doubt denied some contraceptives from being put on the market. Would you deny that this is so?
    No. But irrelevant. The government can create trade embargos limiting people's ability to buy guns or certain foods. If we really break it down the government could deny all sorts of rights. Martial law is another example.
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    Re: Does it violate my 2nd amendment rights if my employer doesn't buy me a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    And? The same is true of guns.
    Yep. Except the government is not supposed to be able to make laws baring you from owning guns. The government can however ban contraceptives as there is nothing in the Constitution preventing it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Appellants claimed that the accessory statute, as applied, violated the Fourteenth Amendment. An intermediate appellate court and the State's highest court affirmed the judgment.

    Griswold v. Connecticut :: 381 U.S. 479 (1965) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center

    Eisenstadt v. Baird :: 405 U.S. 438 (1972) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center
    The first case there is about right to privacy. The second case there is about equal protection. Neither one said that there is a right to contraceptives.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    No. But irrelevant. The government can create trade embargos limiting people's ability to buy guns or certain foods. If we really break it down the government could deny all sorts of rights. Martial law is another example.
    Actually the government is not supposed to make any laws regarding guns. They do it. But they're not supposed to.
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