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    Re: Does it violate my 2nd amendment rights if my employer doesn't buy me a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It doesn't conflict. They ruled against me because the conservative bloc is pro-Christian dominance and pro-rich people and pro-big business. They afforded special treatment to people because they are rich and religious at the same time. That's all.



    The country will eventually get over its love affair with corporations and will not only stop giving them and their owners special rights, they'll do away with the whole package and dump it in the trash bin with other obsolete notions.
    But how many people will be abused in the meantime?



    Unfortunately quite a few.

    They will be part of the crowd demanding change and they will get it.

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    Re: Does it violate my 2nd amendment rights if my employer doesn't buy me a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Considering the Amish don't believe in insurance and think it goes against God's plan, I don't think they would be providing you gun insurance and would probably be exempt just like they are exempt from providing healthcare or social security so it's really not a fair comparison.
    Splitting hairs.

    Ok, my Mennonite employer, or my Jehovah Witnesses employer, or my Bretheren employer refuses to buy me hand gun ammunition.... .

    Also, Amish do not use insurance, it does not mean they do not provide it. Muslims are able to sell pork to non muslims- though many would decline to do so.
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    Re: Does it violate my 2nd amendment rights if my employer doesn't buy me a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Amendment 1
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    It appears your opinion is flawed.
    Its a amusing that the anti-religious try to make an amendment about government taking a neutral stance on religion into a government is not supposed to have anything to do with religion.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Does it violate my 2nd amendment rights if my employer doesn't buy me a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its a amusing that the anti-religious try to make an amendment about government taking a neutral stance on religion into a government is not supposed to have anything to do with religion.
    That's not really the problem though...

    I mean...either way, making a law that requires someone to do something they religiously disagree with (in this case, paying for birth control pills, or something) would be against the amendment - it's not neutral, either.


    That said, I can see this potentially snowballing - suppose someone starts a religion and one of the tenets is that you do not pay taxes (or perhaps some specific form of tax)?

    Where is the line between acceptable and unacceptable, when considering religious beliefs?
    Obviously we draw the line somewhere this side of "ritual human sacrifice", but...
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    Re: Does it violate my 2nd amendment rights if my employer doesn't buy me a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Hmmm, the welfare state...

    According to Malsow, basic needs include food, water, shelter, clothing, and sexual reproduction.

    I remember when those needs were the responsibility of the family unit, not tax payers of the state, with the exception of sexual reproduction, which was an individual's responsibility.

    I can also remember when most people were too proud and independent to expect others to pay their way. Apparently they had reached the stage of self-actualization. Not any more for some it appears.

    I wonder what JFK would think about today's democrat voters?

    "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."
    You assume that our economic system allows everyone who is willing to provide for themselves. And I'm certainly not a democratic voter in most cases. Anyway, we're getting off topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Amendment 1
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    It appears your opinion is flawed.
    And what makes the religious opinion of the employer outweigh that of the worker?
    Social democrat is no longer an accurate description of my views.

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    Re: Does it violate my 2nd amendment rights if my employer doesn't buy me a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    And what makes the religious opinion of the employer outweigh that of the worker?
    The employer is the one paying for it.
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    Re: Does it violate my 2nd amendment rights if my employer doesn't buy me a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    The employer is the one paying for it.
    And that doesn't mean that they get input on their workers' decisions. You might as well say that the employer can withhold wages if their employee wants to use the wages to buy birth control.
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    Re: Does it violate my 2nd amendment rights if my employer doesn't buy me a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    And that doesn't mean that they get input on their workers' decisions. You might as well say that the employer can withhold wages if their employee wants to use the wages to buy birth control.
    No, that would be unacceptable, because it wouldn't be their decision.
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    Re: Does it violate my 2nd amendment rights if my employer doesn't buy me a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    No, that would be unacceptable, because it wouldn't be their decision.
    I fail to see the distinction you are making. The way our economy and our laws are structured, employers are required to provide wages and health insurance (at least partially) to their employees. What makes telling an employee how they can spend their wages different than telling them how to use their health insurance?
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    Re: Does it violate my 2nd amendment rights if my employer doesn't buy me a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    I fail to see the distinction you are making. The way our economy and our laws are structured, employers are required to provide wages and health insurance (at least partially) to their employees. What makes telling an employee how they can spend their wages different than telling them how to use their health insurance?
    Technically, if the employer is paying for it, it's the employer's insurance on it's employees.

    Why should the employees tell the employer how to use it's health insurance?
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