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Your biggest problems with illegal immigration.

Your biggest problems with illegal immigration

  • I believe the law should be followed. If mass immigration were legal I'd have no complaint.

    Votes: 19 38.8%

  • An influx of a foreign culture threatening to marginalize American culture including language.

    Votes: 15 30.6%

  • An influx of a minority group threatening to make my ethnic group the minority.

    Votes: 7 14.3%

  • The impact of illegal immigration on the American economy.

    Votes: 25 51.0%

  • The impact of illegal immigration on the treasury.

    Votes: 19 38.8%

  • If fear illegal immigrants will exhibit criminal/violent behavior

    Votes: 14 28.6%

  • Other. Explain

    Votes: 17 34.7%
  • Total voters
    49
Maenad said:
The children who are flooding in are not accompanied by parents. They are being sent here unaccompanied. It's all over the news. Please do keep up.
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Well, if an unaccompanied minor crosses, they should be sent back to their parents. That's a given.

How are small children crossing over - and when they do, how are they surviving?
 
disneydude said:
You should have included the one you suggest...because I DO believe that is a fear of many.

Also you should have included something along the lines, I don't mind immigration of white people but when its brown people its different.
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One respected past presidential candidate essentially said that. If I recall it went something like British immigrating to American would assimilate easier than Haitians. I'm implication was British immigrations was okay but Haitian immigration was inherently problematic. I respect his honesty.
 
Gipper said:
Well, if an unaccompanied minor crosses, they should be sent back to their parents. That's a given.

How are small children crossing over - and when they do, how are they surviving?
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Well, you could just read the current news and it will answer your questions. Apparently it's not a given for this admin.
 
Though the poll addresses my concerns over the economy, it does not address how livid I am over this administration not preparing for this crisis we now see ourselves dealing with. The Obama administration was forewarned over a year ago by the UN that these people were coming and it did not prepare for it nor did it send a message to the people of South America to discourage it. The crisis on the border is more proof the president isn’t enforcing existing immigration law and therefore can’t be trusted to enforce any potential overhaul. He refused to send needed resources to our borders to help handle the influx. Border patrol have been turned into babysitters and our borders have now become even more vulnerable than before. Border towns are going broke dealing with this crisis and ranchers and farmers live in fear. Prior to this influx, border patrol only caught about 25% sneaking into this country. Those they did catch were given an immigration hearing date and released. 90% of them do not show up for their immigration hearing. The percentage of youth are just about the same age as those jihad members of ISIS and overwhelmingly males. These kids have been raised in a completely different society from our own often plagued with violence and corruption and that has to play a role in who they are and how they think. This crisis far succeeds illegal immigration, it's now a full fledged National Security crisis.
 
My biggest issue with illegal mass immigration is that I believe it lowers our society as a whole. Let me explain that before someone jumps on that comment with the race card. Most who immigrate here illegally are poor and are often under educated. In my opinion those are just the type of people that we do not want to be flooding into our country. I often here about how they are only doing jobs that Americans will not do. I think those people are wrong. They are only doing jobs that Americans will not do for such a cheap price. Many industries that were once filled with American workers are now filled with illegal or first generation immigrants. Those jobs did not suddenly become to difficult for Americans but instead compensation for those jobs have remained stagnant. Employers know that an illegal and/or uneducated labor pool are going to take whatever they can get and as a result wages remain flat.

Also the more you allow in the less likely they are to integrate into the current society. When you are a small minority it is easy to see how learning the language and customs would be beneficial. It helps you connect with society. However when your segment of society has grown enough you no longer need to integrate into the old system so many do not bother. As we have seen some instances of in recent years some expect us to conform to them. I am sorry but this bothers me, they moved into my back yard I did not move into theirs. If anyone should conform it should be them.

The town I live in, Sedalia Missouri, Tyson Foods built a processing facility some years ago. As a result the local area has seen a huge influx of illegal immigration. I am not implying that Tysons is hiring illegal employees but many of them are the relative of those employed by Tyson Foods. As is common among many immigrant families one will come here and find a job, they will then save up and send money back to their families so that they can afford to send another member (generally illegally) to the US. They repeat this process many times until the entire family now resides here. Our schools and local facilities have been financially pinched with the influx of new children most of which have parents who pay little or no income tax.

Not only do they keep (along with business exploration) wages in many unskilled industries flat but they place a greater burden on social services that they rest of us pay for. True many government funded programs are barred to illegal immigrates but they are NOT barred from the children of those immigrants who are born here. Many being in low income families do receive government assistance. Now I am not blaming the children here but immigrants know that if they come here and have children that the government will subsidize their families lives and in many cases giving them a life better then what they left.

So on the end when you have a population that is uneducated, not willing/reluctant to integrate into society, and rely heavily on public services I feel it brings our society down as a whole. I think we find plenty of ways to harm our own society without introducing tens of millions of other people to hasten it along.
 
mpg said:
choice #!, the law should be followed

I have sympathy for people who come here illegally, but I have at least as much sympathy for the people who want to come here but don't because they can't do it legally. I had to jump through hoops to bring my ex-wife and step daughter to this country and I know someone who needed 15 years to bring his wife and daughter to the US. Amnesty shows a lack of sympathy for many people.
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I had a friend who was a Lt.Cmdr in the Australian Navy who did a two year tour in the USA during the 1980's. He was a RAN F-111 pilot.
While in America he knocked up his wife and they had a son. The son was listed as a U.S. citizen.

He liked America and wanted to migrate to America after he left the RAN. He's an engineer and he'had to wait almost 15 years before he got his immigration visa even though his son was an American citizen.

He played by the rules. He's also an engineer and you can guess today he pays more in taxes than most.

The biggest lie by the pro amnesty activist is "bring them out of the shadow and they will start paying taxes." :lamo

The first lie is they are already out of the shadows.

Even if they did start paying taxes, they will use more in services than they pay in taxes.

And how much taxes will they pay when already 48% of Americans pay no individual income taxes.

America's immigration policies use to be before 1965 what's best for America not what's best for the immigrant, greedy multinational owned corporations of one particular political party.

The Marxist always like to mention Nellis Island but never mention the hundreds of thousands who were turned away and put back on the boat and sent back to Europe. If you had a pimple on your face and you were sent packing.
 
Diseased, and a huge burden on our local communities and governments and they're loyal to the Country they ran from.

Selfish, and corrupted in character they have no problem sucking off the social safety nets put in place fpr American citizens.

Also, uneducated, low IQ's and a general agreement with our current administration that the Country they ran too is no more exceptional than France or the hell hole they just left.

Also easilly manipulated by low life politicians, they could influence local and larger elections.

Thats my problem with illegal immigrants.
 
My biggest problem is that it is illegal, and that we refuse to close and protect our border for illegal immigrants. I have no issue at all with legal immigration, but the illegal immigration pretty much screws things up for those who go through the process of coming here legally, and gives the entire concept a bad name.
 
Baralis said:
My biggest issue with illegal mass immigration is that I believe it lowers our society as a whole. Let me explain that before someone jumps on that comment with the race card. Most who immigrate here illegally are poor and are often under educated. In my opinion those are just the type of people that we do not want to be flooding into our country. I often here about how they are only doing jobs that Americans will not do. I think those people are wrong. They are only doing jobs that Americans will not do for such a cheap price. Many industries that were once filled with American workers are now filled with illegal or first generation immigrants. Those jobs did not suddenly become to difficult for Americans but instead compensation for those jobs have remained stagnant. Employers know that an illegal and/or uneducated labor pool are going to take whatever they can get and as a result wages remain flat.

Also the more you allow in the less likely they are to integrate into the current society. When you are a small minority it is easy to see how learning the language and customs would be beneficial. It helps you connect with society. However when your segment of society has grown enough you no longer need to integrate into the old system so many do not bother. As we have seen some instances of in recent years some expect us to conform to them. I am sorry but this bothers me, they moved into my back yard I did not move into theirs. If anyone should conform it should be them.

The town I live in, Sedalia Missouri, Tyson Foods built a processing facility some years ago. As a result the local area has seen a huge influx of illegal immigration. I am not implying that Tysons is hiring illegal employees but many of them are the relative of those employed by Tyson Foods. As is common among many immigrant families one will come here and find a job, they will then save up and send money back to their families so that they can afford to send another member (generally illegally) to the US. They repeat this process many times until the entire family now resides here. Our schools and local facilities have been financially pinched with the influx of new children most of which have parents who pay little or no income tax.

Not only do they keep (along with business exploration) wages in many unskilled industries flat but they place a greater burden on social services that they rest of us pay for. True many government funded programs are barred to illegal immigrates but they are NOT barred from the children of those immigrants who are born here. Many being in low income families do receive government assistance. Now I am not blaming the children here but immigrants know that if they come here and have children that the government will subsidize their families lives and in many cases giving them a life better then what they left.

So on the end when you have a population that is uneducated, not willing/reluctant to integrate into society, and rely heavily on public services I feel it brings our society down as a whole. I think we find plenty of ways to harm our own society without introducing tens of millions of other people to hasten it along.
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Your concerns are valid ones. I have yet to have someone explain to me how allowing so many already here the right to amnesty when a good number of them are uneducated as good thing let alone allowing millions more. I keep hearing the same mantra that these folks do jobs most Americans won't. Bet a lot more Americans would take those jobs if they weren't being paid so well on the government dole. But why bother when the government pays better? The whole amnesty thing that was building steam in Congress made me sick to my stomach because on the left you have an overwhelming majority that support open borders and like to proclaim victimhood for anyone they can find countering with multiple government subsidies to ease their pain while demanding that every taxpayer be left with the responsibility of debt it produces. Then on the right this issue divides Republicans. Conservatives are demanding secure borders and a stop to countless spending on programs for illegals. The other side of the Republican coin is pushing for amnesty. They are supported by big business such as Chamber of Commerce and followers of Grover Norquist who promote corporatism. They want cheap non-union forces and they see that potential in immigrants South of the border. Anyone who arrived here illegally does not respect our laws. The one who took the legal channel of applying for citizenship have my whole hearted support. What's happening now with the crisis on the border is the direct result of not enforcing immigration laws already on the books for decades and unfortunately it will be the 50% still paying taxes for all this crap that will end up paying the bill for it.
 
vesper said:
Your concerns are valid ones. I have yet to have someone explain to me how allowing so many already here the right to amnesty when a good number of them are uneducated as good thing let alone allowing millions more. I keep hearing the same mantra that these folks do jobs most Americans won't. Bet a lot more Americans would take those jobs if they weren't being paid so well on the government dole. But why bother when the government pays better? The whole amnesty thing that was building steam in Congress made me sick to my stomach because on the left you have an overwhelming majority that support open borders and like to proclaim victimhood for anyone they can find countering with multiple government subsidies to ease their pain while demanding that every taxpayer be left with the responsibility of debt it produces. Then on the right this issue divides Republicans. Conservatives are demanding secure borders and a stop to countless spending on programs for illegals. The other side of the Republican coin is pushing for amnesty. They are supported by big business such as Chamber of Commerce and followers of Grover Norquist who promote corporatism. They want cheap non-union forces and they see that potential in immigrants South of the border. Anyone who arrived here illegally does not respect our laws. The one who took the legal channel of applying for citizenship have my whole hearted support. What's happening now with the crisis on the border is the direct result of not enforcing immigration laws already on the books for decades and unfortunately it will be the 50% still paying taxes for all this crap that will end up paying the bill for it.
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Not to mention the slap in the face of those who are doing it the legal way, as you pointed out. Why bother with the law if you're going to be in line behind the lawbreakers! As for the push for amnesty that big business supposedly wants, that's a crock, too! With the thousands that are already here, don't tell me they need more uneducated illegals - to do what? Automation is already eliminating jobs here that they may have done at one time. Unless business is somehow planning on the US suddenly becoming a country that makes or builds what we need again, at the pay scale of third world countries they sent our jobs to in the first place, it doesn't make sense. Even GM built their newest plant in Mexico recently, and not here! Sheesh! This gets more absurd the longer it continues!

Greetings, Vesper. :2wave:
 
Other.

My biggest problem with illegal immigration is that it's illegal.

If we let all these people into the country, but handed them ID's and had them in some sort of system, so they could be easily ID'd if they committed a crime and such, I would have far less of a problem with it.


Granted there are arguments for the economic/quality of life impact (same thing, really) hundreds of thousands (millions?) of immigrants have on an economy.

But we basically can't stop them (wall, hah, that **** won't work) without spending an unreasonable amount of money that will do the same thing.

So allowing them to legally immigrate seems the best option.

At least we'll know who they are, more or less, and can tax them like everyone else.
 
The Mark said:
Other.

My biggest problem with illegal immigration is that it's illegal.

If we let all these people into the country, but handed them ID's and had them in some sort of system, so they could be easily ID'd if they committed a crime and such, I would have far less of a problem with it.


Granted there are arguments for the economic/quality of life impact (same thing, really) hundreds of thousands (millions?) of immigrants have on an economy.

But we basically can't stop them (wall, hah, that **** won't work) without spending an unreasonable amount of money that will do the same thing.

So allowing them to legally immigrate seems the best option.

At least we'll know who they are, more or less, and can tax them like everyone else.
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If the government is supporting them, how do they collect taxes from them? They take taxes out of welfare checks, or other money they get from the government? I'm not being snarky - I don't understand your comment.

Greetings, The Mark. :2wave:
 
polgara said:
If the government is supporting them, how do they collect taxes from them? They take taxes out of welfare checks, or other money they get from the government? I'm not being snarky - I don't understand your comment.

Greetings, The Mark. :2wave:
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If we're already supporting illegal immigrants, I at least want to know WHO we're supporting, damnit.


With that info, some criminals could be excluded, or whatnot. Also we would know how many, where, and possibly what good they were providing to the economy and the country.

Because we all know damn well they ARE providing some good. Nothing is ever all negative, or positive for that matter.
 
The Mark said:
If we're already supporting illegal immigrants, I at least want to know WHO we're supporting, damnit.


With that info, some criminals could be excluded, or whatnot. Also we would know how many, where, and possibly what good they were providing to the economy and the country.

Because we all know damn well they ARE providing some good. Nothing is ever all negative, or positive for that matter.
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:agree: and I understand what you are saying. So how do you suggest we round them up? Most criminals do not follow the law, so we won't find them. That's why gun registration, as an example, is such a joke. Only law-abiding people follow the law, and they have already broken the law by entering our country illegally. And they have the gall to hold demonstrations for better treatment? Unbelievable! No wonder the people in California wouldn't let the busloads of illegals enter their communities! They learned the hard way what would follow.
 
polgara said:
:agree: and I understand what you are saying. So how do you suggest we round them up? Most criminals do not follow the law, so we won't find them. That's why gun registration, as an example, is such a joke. Only law-abiding people follow the law, and they have already broken the law by entering our country illegally. And they have the gall to hold demonstrations for better treatment? Unbelievable! No wonder the people in California wouldn't let the busloads of illegals enter their communities! They learned the hard way what would follow.
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Offer legalization if they show up to get IDs and such.

If they voluntarily stay illegal, they either don't trust the new system, or they are criminals and don't want to be in any database for that reason.

After a reasonable period of time (say, a year) people without ID's are considered illegal immigrants and further investigated - if investigation shows they just weren't aware for some reason, ID and register them and send them on their way.

If investigation shows criminal behavior, or that they were aware of the change but chose to remain illegal, deportation finally enters the picture.

Also the border should be streamlined in the extreme - check for criminal behavior, but if none, they're legal immigrants

I dunno if that last is possible.

**** i dunno if any of this is possible.

I just know for damn sure that current system is either non-functional or being purposefully misused.
 
vesper said:
Though the poll addresses my concerns over the economy, it does not address how livid I am over this administration not preparing for this crisis we now see ourselves dealing with. The Obama administration was forewarned over a year ago by the UN that these people were coming and it did not prepare for it nor did it send a message to the people of South America to discourage it. The crisis on the border is more proof the president isn’t enforcing existing immigration law and therefore can’t be trusted to enforce any potential overhaul. He refused to send needed resources to our borders to help handle the influx. Border patrol have been turned into babysitters and our borders have now become even more vulnerable than before. Border towns are going broke dealing with this crisis and ranchers and farmers live in fear. Prior to this influx, border patrol only caught about 25% sneaking into this country. Those they did catch were given an immigration hearing date and released. 90% of them do not show up for their immigration hearing. The percentage of youth are just about the same age as those jihad members of ISIS and overwhelmingly males. These kids have been raised in a completely different society from our own often plagued with violence and corruption and that has to play a role in who they are and how they think. This crisis far succeeds illegal immigration, it's now a full fledged National Security crisis.
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Good point. In addition, Hispanics often have physical traits that are similar to Middle Easterners; olive complexion, etc. and ME based terrorist could conceivably slip in with illegal Hispanic immigrants.

In the administration's defense the requirements for getting a driver's license is essentially identical to getting a US passport recently. Plus as we learned from Snowden, they are trying to keep a good eye on everybody. IMHO not the best approach to it but they do consider national security a serious matter.
 
radcen said:
I didn't really have a satisfactory poll option.

Two things bother me the most. 1) That we allow it openly, regardless our rhetoric. 2) That we keep extending benefit after benefit that even citizens and legal immigrants sometimes have a hard time qualifying for.

I believe that we should increase legal immigration, and should make the process more simple and streamlined, but at the same time we should strictly enforce the prohibition against illegal immigration.

If we cannot do that, then at the least we should be conferring no benefits whatsoever. I'm ok with basic emergency medical care (I have no desire to let people die in the streets), and maybe some emergency temporary food aid, but that's it. If you're here illegally, nothing else. No divers licenses, no automatic citizenship if merely born here (Amendment needed and noted), no admission to the bar (California), none of that stuff.
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There you have it, although I would include a guest worker program. Come here, work, pay taxes and return to your home country until your services are needed again.
Of course I wouldn't have problems issuing a divers license. :)
 
joG said:
How do you pay taxes and Obamacare as an illegal? Anonymously?
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All non-citizens...even illegal aliens are required to pay taxes and are given SS Individual Taxpayer Identification Number.
 
jamesrage said:
1.Screwing Americans out of jobs.Contrary to popular belief that illegals only pick fruit they also work in meat packing plants, construction, landscaping, hotel, restaurants, janitorial and many other low to moderately skilled jobs.

2.Depresses wages of Americans.It doesn't take a math genius to figure out that if there is a huge line of people to do your job then you becomes less valuable and therefore your employer has no incentive to pay you more or give you raises.

Those two things can be the result of uncontrolled or increased legal immigration too.
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i think james hits the nail on the head with these 2 observations.
 
vesper said:
Though the poll addresses my concerns over the economy, it does not address how livid I am over this administration not preparing for this crisis we now see ourselves dealing with. The Obama administration was forewarned over a year ago by the UN that these people were coming and it did not prepare for it nor did it send a message to the people of South America to discourage it. The crisis on the border is more proof the president isn’t enforcing existing immigration law and therefore can’t be trusted to enforce any potential overhaul. He refused to send needed resources to our borders to help handle the influx. Border patrol have been turned into babysitters and our borders have now become even more vulnerable than before. Border towns are going broke dealing with this crisis and ranchers and farmers live in fear. Prior to this influx, border patrol only caught about 25% sneaking into this country. Those they did catch were given an immigration hearing date and released. 90% of them do not show up for their immigration hearing. The percentage of youth are just about the same age as those jihad members of ISIS and overwhelmingly males. These kids have been raised in a completely different society from our own often plagued with violence and corruption and that has to play a role in who they are and how they think. This crisis far succeeds illegal immigration, it's now a full fledged National Security crisis.
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You clearly don't understand which branch of government holds the purse-strings. You also are not aware that it has been congress to consitantly refuse to increase funds for the border patrol.

And everyone seems to forget sequestration was a big hit on funding immigration enforcement.

Its easy to say "enforce the laws" but that cost money. It takes people to do the enforcing...We can't even deport 45,000 and people want massive deportations...Where do we house them all on the deportation process.

People are so simplistic in their assessments of things that are logistical nightmares.
 
Here is the Cato Institute assessment on sequestration on immigration enforcement and the cuts to the Border Patrol will not have that big of a effect. The Obama admistration was just trying to"scare" you all into oppose cuts...

[video]http://www.cato.org/multimedia/daily-podcast/sequestration-immigration-enforcement[/video]


... "throwing money" at the immigration problem was not needed. 5,000 cuts in Border Patrol agents was needed.

WASHINGTON, June 25, 2014 -- /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Agents from the Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement are doing a commendable job under difficult circumstances to address a record high number of unaccompanied juveniles and immigrants from Central America crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, union leaders from the American Federation of Government Employees testified today.

Both the Border Patrol and ICE have seen a reduction in staffing due to sequestration and other budget constraints, making it that much harder to cope with the increases, officials from AFGE's National Border Patrol Council and National Immigration and Customs Enforcement Council said in testimony before the House Judiciary Committee.
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Border Patrol, ICE Agents Managing Immigration Spike with Limited Resources, Union Leaders Say - PR Newswire - The Sacramento Bee
 
1750Texan said:
All non-citizens...even illegal aliens are required to pay taxes and are given SS Individual Taxpayer Identification Number.
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And they aren't rounded up? That makes them legal sort of.
 
1750Texan said:
All non-citizens...even illegal aliens are required to pay taxes and are given SS Individual Taxpayer Identification Number.
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Are you aware of how many dependents they claim on their W-4's? Taxes and SS withholding are just considered the cost of doing business and part of the screwing they are giving the US.
 
ocean515 said:
Are you aware of how many dependents they claim on their W-4's? Taxes and SS withholding are just considered the cost of doing business and part of the screwing they are giving the US.
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Social security fraud is not exclusive to any one group...The SSA deals with all sorts of fraud from all sorts of tax payers.
 
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