View Poll Results: Your biggest problems with illegal immigration

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  • I believe the law should be followed. If mass immigration were legal I'd have no complaint.

    22 37.93%
  • An influx of a foreign culture threatening to marginalize American culture including language.

    19 32.76%
  • An influx of a minority group threatening to make my ethnic group the minority.

    10 17.24%
  • The impact of illegal immigration on the American economy.

    31 53.45%
  • The impact of illegal immigration on the treasury.

    23 39.66%
  • If fear illegal immigrants will exhibit criminal/violent behavior

    18 31.03%
  • Other. Explain

    19 32.76%
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    Re: Your biggest problems with illegal immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Social security fraud is not exclusive to any one group...The SSA deals with all sorts of fraud from all sorts of tax payers.
    Of course. To the illegal, stealing an identity, and perhaps screwing up a legal citizens life is nothing to them. As social maggots, their part of the contribution to SS is just part of the deal. They likely figure they can get that amount back by claiming as many dependents as they can get away with, and by never filing tax returns.

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    Re: Your biggest problems with illegal immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Not "rounding" them up makes them "legal" in no sort of way...
    It should. The state knows where they are and they are in the country illegally. Police would round them up unless they can stay. If they can stay, they are factually legal in a way.

    I know. There are legal convolutions that prove the opposite. But they can prove anything in that way. That is one of the basic problems of the legal system.

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    Re: Your biggest problems with illegal immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    You clearly don't understand which branch of government holds the purse-strings. You also are not aware that it has been congress to consitantly refuse to increase funds for the border patrol.

    And everyone seems to forget sequestration was a big hit on funding immigration enforcement.

    Its easy to say "enforce the laws" but that cost money. It takes people to do the enforcing...We can't even deport 45,000 and people want massive deportations...Where do we house them all on the deportation process.

    People are so simplistic in their assessments of things that are logistical nightmares.
    I have no problem understanding where the funding for the border comes from. There were billions of dollars allocated in a bill that was passed to build a fence on the border during the second term of Bush. Six years of Obama and the fence has yet to be built. Why? because the left doesn't like the idea. Yet there is a fence completely around the White House that seems to work really good keeping unwanted people out. The House passed a 40 billion dollar increase to Homeland Security which was to pay for increased border patrol in 2009. The border partrol during the sequestration dodged the layoffs that others claimed would occur by cutting their 10 hour days to 8. The amount of the cut was 280 million but unless you put that into perspective by including the 40 friggen BILLION increase prior you do not have a balanced perspective.
    Border Patrol agents dodge sequestration, avoid furloughs, pay cuts - Washington Times

    There have been calls to send in the National Guard only to fall on deaf ears. We the taxpayers already pay for their services. So why aren't their services being called upon at this time? We have inactive military that we already pay. Why haven't they been sent to the border to assist instead of turning our military bases into housing for these people and our soldiers into babysitters, cooks and bottle washers? This president was warned over a year ago of this situation and did squat to stop it or prepare for it. Enough!!!!

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    Re: Your biggest problems with illegal immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    You clearly don't understand which branch of government holds the purse-strings. You also are not aware that it has been congress to consitantly refuse to increase funds for the border patrol.

    And everyone seems to forget sequestration was a big hit on funding immigration enforcement.

    Its easy to say "enforce the laws" but that cost money. It takes people to do the enforcing...We can't even deport 45,000 and people want massive deportations...Where do we house them all on the deportation process.

    People are so simplistic in their assessments of things that are logistical nightmares.
    I don't know why we still don't just fine the CRAP out of anybody.caught hiring an illegal. Offer part of the fine as a bounty. To individuals or local police departments so its not an unfunded mandate.

    If nobody will hire them the influx will slow or stop.

    And all that fine money can be spent dealing with those who do come.

    I cannot judge someone crossing an imaginary line to provide a better life.for their family. Its what a good parent does. All the hatred aimed at them is a smoke screen to protect those profiting off them.

    And a bunch of them want us to consider them "job creators".
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    Re: Your biggest problems with illegal immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    There you have it, although I would include a guest worker program. Come here, work, pay taxes and return to your home country until your services are needed again.
    Of course I wouldn't have problems issuing a divers license.
    I would be fine with a guest worker program, as long as they actually did go back when done.

    I'm against DLs. Unless the world has changed since I last did this (a couple decades ago), or we don't recognize it, I don't see why they couldn't get an international DL and use that similar to how international travelers do it.
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    Re: Your biggest problems with illegal immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I would be fine with a guest worker program, as long as they actually did go back when done.

    I'm against DLs. Unless the world has changed since I last did this (a couple decades ago), or we don't recognize it, I don't see why they couldn't get an international DL and use that similar to how international travelers do it.
    - I think we need a comprehensive guest worker program for jobs that that Americans don't do like being hunched over all day in the hot sun picking strawberries.
    - Make English our official language
    - Finish the border fence
    - Have a serious educational improvement program that incorporates "edutaiment" into the national culture Educational entertainment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Give tax breaks and political rate access to advertisement to video game developers that incorporate math and science into video gaming so Americans will be equipped for the jobs of the future.
    - Expand INS or create a wing thereof to advance America culture outside of our borders, in particularly our Sothern border. Rebroadcast American radio and TV stations on channels in Mexico. If so many Mexicans want to pursue the American Dream, get Mexico to start teaching US History, US Civics and English every year throughout school. Then when they get here its less of an adjustment.
    - America business create opportunities in Mexico for things that cannot be done in America just as tropical agriculture and tourism. Bring a certain percentage of American workers and managers with them.
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    Re: Your biggest problems with illegal immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    - I think we need a comprehensive guest worker program for jobs that that Americans don't do like being hunched over all day in the hot sun picking strawberries.
    - Make English our official language
    - Finish the border fence
    - Have a serious educational improvement program that incorporates "edutaiment" into the national culture Educational entertainment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Give tax breaks and political rate access to advertisement to video game developers that incorporate math and science into video gaming so Americans will be equipped for the jobs of the future.
    - Expand INS or create a wing thereof to advance America culture outside of our borders, in particularly our Sothern border. Rebroadcast American radio and TV stations on channels in Mexico. If so many Mexicans want to pursue the American Dream, get Mexico to start teaching US History, US Civics and English every year throughout school. Then when they get here its less of an adjustment.
    - America business create opportunities in Mexico for things that cannot be done in America just as tropical agriculture and tourism. Bring a certain percentage of American workers and managers with them.
    I'm ok with a guest worker program for pretty much any industry, save maybe something sensitive regarding national security/technology. I believe that our most sensitive and sophisticated weapon systems should be 100% sourced and manufactured within our own borders, for example.

    As strongly as I feel that our laws should be enforced, I am very much against the border fence. In fact, I believe what we have constructed should be dismantled.

    I also think we need to lean on Mexico to do more for themselves.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Your biggest problems with illegal immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    - I think we need a comprehensive guest worker program for jobs that that Americans don't do like being hunched over all day in the hot sun picking strawberries.
    - Make English our official language
    - Finish the border fence
    - Have a serious educational improvement program that incorporates "edutaiment" into the national culture Educational entertainment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Give tax breaks and political rate access to advertisement to video game developers that incorporate math and science into video gaming so Americans will be equipped for the jobs of the future.
    - Expand INS or create a wing thereof to advance America culture outside of our borders, in particularly our Sothern border. Rebroadcast American radio and TV stations on channels in Mexico. If so many Mexicans want to pursue the American Dream, get Mexico to start teaching US History, US Civics and English every year throughout school. Then when they get here its less of an adjustment.
    - America business create opportunities in Mexico for things that cannot be done in America just as tropical agriculture and tourism. Bring a certain percentage of American workers and managers with them.
    Thought provoking ideas. However, the main thrust of illegal immigration is not to become part of the US, with all that such a thing means, but to exploit what is being made available
    to them with little risk.

    The illegals are primarily failures from failed cultures, who care little about the impact of their law breaking. Reasonable evidence of this mindset was on display during the recent World Cup match featuring Mexico. In some areas in Southern California, riot police were called out to deal with the Mexican Flag waving fans, while to my knowledge, none were called out during the US Team matches.

    A rational guest worker program has never been an issue. It's the illegal alien peasants who come here to exploit the country that needs to be dealt with.

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    Re: Your biggest problems with illegal immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Thought provoking ideas. However, the main thrust of illegal immigration is not to become part of the US, with all that such a thing means, but to exploit what is being made available
    to them with little risk.

    The illegals are primarily failures from failed cultures, who care little about the impact of their law breaking. Reasonable evidence of this mindset was on display during the recent World Cup match featuring Mexico. In some areas in Southern California, riot police were called out to deal with the Mexican Flag waving fans, while to my knowledge, none were called out during the US Team matches.

    A rational guest worker program has never been an issue. It's the illegal alien peasants who come here to exploit the country that needs to be dealt with.
    Excellent post! We don't see that behavior from immigrants who come here legally! Why the government expects us to just kow-tow to lawbreakers is ridiculous and insulting. If we were to stop providing endless benefits to them, I would expect to see outrage and lots of screaming. Would they go back home; would they change their attitude that we owe them something; or would they riot because they're angry the gravy train has left the station, and they can't continue to scam the system? WTH? BTW, trafficing in children is illegal, and just about the lowest you can get to advance an agenda, IMO. :

    Greetings, ocean515.

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    Re: Your biggest problems with illegal immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Thought provoking ideas. However, the main thrust of illegal immigration is not to become part of the US, with all that such a thing means, but to exploit what is being made available
    to them with little risk.

    The illegals are primarily failures from failed cultures, who care little about the impact of their law breaking. Reasonable evidence of this mindset was on display during the recent World Cup match featuring Mexico. In some areas in Southern California, riot police were called out to deal with the Mexican Flag waving fans, while to my knowledge, none were called out during the US Team matches.

    A rational guest worker program has never been an issue. It's the illegal alien peasants who come here to exploit the country that needs to be dealt with.
    You're right. A Mexican immigrant now American friend of mine told me most of today's Mexican immigrants who come here are not the wealthy or even the middle-class. They're generally the lowest rung of Mexican society, not to say anyone cannot improve upon the condition they were born into. When he goes back to visit, which it seems he doesn't really enjoy that much, he's considered a 'gringo" despite being born in Mexico.
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