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Thread: Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

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    Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

    Iraqi security forces are probably incapable of retaking large swaths of territory seized by Sunni insurgents in recent weeks without outside help, the Pentagon’s top leaders said Thursday as they sketched a bleak assessment of turmoil in the country.

    Dempsey said the U.S. government was contemplating the possibility of airstrikes, as well as providing help beyond what is being provided by about 750 U.S. military advisers and other troops that have deployed to Iraq in recent weeks “What will we be willing to contribute to that cause?” he said. “That’s not a question that we’re prepared to answer just yet.”

    The answer, he added, would depend on political developments in Iraq. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, a Shiite Muslim, has alienated Sunnis, Kurds and other groups, and it is unclear whether he can muster the votes in parliament to win a third term. If Iraq is unable to form a new government that can draw support from all factions, “then the future’s pretty bleak,” Dempsey said.
    what do you think? I've been for airstrikes al along, without conditions -ISIL/ISIS is the target either way, whether Iraq partitions by itself or not.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...y.html?hpid=z1

    So I don't see any reason to condition strikes (drone/air) on "political developments"
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    Re: Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    what do you think? I've been for airstrikes al along, without conditions -ISIL/ISIS is the target either way, whether Iraq partitions by itself or not.

    So I don't see any reason to condition strikes (drone/air) on "political developments"


    Heya AT .....have you checked out the War on Terror Forum? Check out what I have up on Concerning Syria and The Concerning Iraq thread as well.


    Also check this out.


    The US Is Flying Right Into The Iran-Russia-Syria Plan In Iraq.....


    The skies of Iraq are getting crowded. U.S. Apache attack helicopters and unarmed drones are being deployed along with the 500 American troops already ordered to the country. They're just the latest foreign aircraft to join the fight against ISIS, the jihadist group that's swept through northern and western Iraq in recent weeks.

    The Syrian Air Force bombed targets that were allegedly ISIS positions in western Iraq last week. Iran has reportedly sent its entire fleet of Sukoi-24 fighter jets to Iraq. And Russia has sent jets and "advisors" to assist Baghdad.....snip~

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    Re: Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

    Yet the alliance between these three countries has transformed the Middle East in the years after the "Arab Spring" protests of 2011. Russian and Iranian support allowed the Syrian regime of Bashar al Assad to survive against a constellation of secular and jihadist rebel groups — feeding a war that's killed over 150,000 people and leading to the displacement of over 9 million.

    Iran's strong position in Syria — enabled through Russian financial, diplomatic and military support for Assad — has allowed it to turn Baghdad into a veritable client, to the point where Qods Force commander Qassem Suleimani is arguably the most powerful person in the country.

    And there's been plenty of blowback from these policies throughout the Middle East, from the destabilization of Lebanon to the ongoing falling out between the U.S. and its Gulf allies to the potential creation of an independent Kurdistan.

    "If you want to build up a non-jihadi Sunni force that is capable of commanding loyalty from people on the ground then you have to fight Assad and push against Iran, and you push back against ISIS and Iran at the same time," he said. "If you're just fighting ISIS then you're building an Iranian security system in the region."

    "The Iraqis are a thin membrane between the U.S. and the Qods Force" says Doran, referring to the foreign arm of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards. "Any intelligence that we give to the Iraqis is probably going to be on the desk of Qassem Suleimani in less than a day.".....snip~

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    Re: Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya AT .....have you checked out the War on Terror Forum? Check out what I have up on Concerning Syria and The Concerning Iraq thread as well.


    Also check this out.


    The US Is Flying Right Into The Iran-Russia-Syria Plan In Iraq.....


    The skies of Iraq are getting crowded. U.S. Apache attack helicopters and unarmed drones are being deployed along with the 500 American troops already ordered to the country. They're just the latest foreign aircraft to join the fight against ISIS, the jihadist group that's swept through northern and western Iraq in recent weeks.

    The Syrian Air Force bombed targets that were allegedly ISIS positions in western Iraq last week. Iran has reportedly sent its entire fleet of Sukoi-24 fighter jets to Iraq. And Russia has sent jets and "advisors" to assist Baghdad.....snip~
    hi MMC -will do - I also saw Iranian SU-25's seized during the Iran Iraq war, are now showing up on Iraqi runways, with Iranian flags, and prolly Iranian pilots.
    IISS Report: Iraq's Latest Su-25s Come From Iran | Defense News | defensenews.com


    We need to get off the pot, if nothing else then to support ANYONE not ISIL. I'm not crazy about Iranian hegemony, but it's already there.

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    Re: Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

    Yes YES!!!! Let's spend tens of millions of USD on AIRSTRIKES on random men running around with machine guns in Iraq whom posses 3rd grade educations!!!!!!

    Let's even send troops and spend hundreds of millions on those logistics as well!!!


    Let's do it!!!!!!!! INSANITY for the win!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

    It doesn't matter how many bombs we drop as long as the Iraqi forces surrender without a fight.
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

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    Re: Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It doesn't matter how many bombs we drop as long as the Iraqi forces surrender without a fight.

    All we need do.....is kill terrorists. Just a few small bombs and proper placed drones. Then we can get out of there.


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    Re: Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    what do you think? I've been for airstrikes al along, without conditions -ISIL/ISIS is the target either way, whether Iraq partitions by itself or not.

    Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory - The Washington Post

    So I don't see any reason to condition strikes (drone/air) on "political developments"
    We stay out of it.We pack out **** up and get any American there of government business out of there. Iraq is not worth any more American lives and dollars. We removed a genocidal brutal dictator for them and gave these people a chance and they blew it.
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    Re: Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    hi MMC -will do - I also saw Iranian SU-25's seized during the Iran Iraq war, are now showing up on Iraqi runways, with Iranian flags, and prolly Iranian pilots.
    IISS Report: Iraq's Latest Su-25s Come From Iran | Defense News | defensenews.com


    We need to get off the pot, if nothing else then to support ANYONE not ISIL. I'm not crazy about Iranian hegemony, but it's already there.
    We're going to get blamed for whatever happens, if it doesn't turn out well. Russia and Syria will be the good guys as far as Iraq is concerned, since we're way too late to try and take credit, as far as Maliki is concerned. I just hope none of our people are hurt or killed! Who's coordinating this anyway?

    Greetings, Annata.

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    Re: Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

    well ISIL isn't just an Iraqi problem it's REGIONAL PROBLEM, threating a caliphate - and that becomes a true terrorist state.

    AQAP is working on undetectable bombs. and would love to have a caliphate alongside with al-Qaeda; but I get the idea Americans are sick of war - so am I, unfortunately we have the burden to keep the region sane.

    Russia is a so-so partner, not wanting a terrorist state, but Russia is always willing to take the short term gains over long term stability

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