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Thread: Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

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    Re: Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Yes YES!!!! Let's spend tens of millions of USD on AIRSTRIKES on random men running around with machine guns in Iraq whom posses 3rd grade educations!!!!!!

    Let's even send troops and spend hundreds of millions on those logistics as well!!!


    Let's do it!!!!!!!! INSANITY for the win!!!!!!!!!
    they aren't stupid schoolchildren ; al - Baghdadi is a savvy character, quite capable of governing, military command, and worldwide financial reach.

    I tend to think of him as a very brutal mafia type, but with religious fervor to glom in the jihadis, where the mafia were content to play behind the scenes.

    our intel is pretty good, nothing "random" about it. we are using Shadow drones

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    Re: Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    well ISIL isn't just an Iraqi problem it's REGIONAL PROBLEM, threating a caliphate - and that becomes a true terrorist state.

    AQAP is working on undetectable bombs. and would love to have a caliphate alongside with al-Qaeda; but I get the idea Americans are sick of war - so am I, unfortunately we have the burden to keep the region sane.

    Russia is a so-so partner, not wanting a terrorist state, but Russia is always willing to take the short term gains over long term stability


    Its more than a regional problem now AT.....and more of threat to the US and Europe than it ever was before.

    The only ones that are not at the Table are the Europeans.....everyone needs to start hitting these guys now. In Syria, In Iraq, and all should strike any known targets anywhere else.

    Let the message be sent.

    Moreover ISIL says the next to be conquered will be Rome and Italy.....which now Any Organized Crime Syndicates should also be interested in removing any they know of....including all mules.

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    Re: Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    All we need do.....is kill terrorists. Just a few small bombs and proper placed drones. Then we can get out of there.
    exactly. counter-terrorism, not counter-insurgency for ISIL


    What is the difference between counter-insurgency and counter-terrorism?

    The difference between counter-terrorism and counter-insurgency is simple: counter-terrorism focuses more narrowly on combating the tactics and strategy of terrorism and those who employ it, while counter-insurgency is a broader category of responses to political violence carried out by minority groups, both terroristic and otherwise

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    Re: Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Its more than a regional problem now AT.....and more of threat to the US and Europe than it ever was before.

    The only ones that are not at the Table are the Europeans.....everyone needs to start hitting these guys now. In Syria, In Iraq, and all should strike any known targets anywhere else.

    Let the message be sent.
    understood, but for now the region is the battlefield; but I take the idea of ISIL's ambitions, as well as the undetectable bombs.

    The Europeans are worthless, content to have Syrian talks -though how you "talk" to ISIl & al-Baghdadai..

    still they have more direct contact (European jihadists -Brits, etc) we can hope they'll lend whatever support

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    Re: Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Its more than a regional problem now AT.....and more of threat to the US and Europe than it ever was before.

    The only ones that are not at the Table are the Europeans.....everyone needs to start hitting these guys now. In Syria, In Iraq, and all should strike any known targets anywhere else.

    Let the message be sent.

    Moreover ISIL says the next to be conquered will be Rome and Italy.....which now Any Organized Crime Syndicates should also be interested in removing any they know of....including all mules.
    the Levant , (if not more) is the realistic target of ISIL


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    Re: Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    understood, but for now the region is the battlefield; but I take the idea of ISIL's ambitions, as well as the undetectable bombs.

    The Europeans are worthless, content to have Syrian talks -though how you "talk" to ISIl & al-Baghdadai..

    still they have more direct contact (European jihadists -Brits, etc) we can hope they'll lend whatever support

    Yeah and there are several there now.....which should be going after ISIL. Not waiting.

    Already the Kurds and the Sunni have walked away from this first parliamentary meeting. All because Maliki wasn't removed. Kerry visited the Kurds trying to get them to take to the offensive.

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    Re: Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    the Levant , (if not more) is the realistic target of ISIL


    This is their 5 year plan.



    See the Terrifying ISIS Map Showing Its 5-Year Expansion Plan.....

    The Islamic militant group currently marching across Iraq trying to seize territory in order to create an Islamic state has purportedly published a map showing their plans for the next five years.

    The maps were widely shared on Twitter this weekend. They show parts of Africa, the Middle East, and even Europe shaded in black, to represent the territories that ISIS hopes will be part of its Sunni-run state.





    See the Terrifying ISIS Map Showing Its 5-Year Expansion Plan - ABC News

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-te...mely-high.html

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    Re: Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah and there are several there now.....which should be going after ISIL. Not waiting.

    Already the Kurds and the Sunni have walked away from this first parliamentary meeting. All because Maliki wasn't removed. Kerry visited the Kurds trying to get them to take to the offensive.
    ya. I did see that parliamentarian attempt at 'reconciliation" same old poisoned well.

    A very large part of the failure/breakup of Iraq is al-Malaki;not to underplay the sectarianism, but he is worse then worthless

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    Re: Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    All we need do.....is kill terrorists. Just a few small bombs and proper placed drones. Then we can get out of there.

    And new ones will take their place. We've been killing terrorists in Iraq for 10 years. I'm not sure how we'd ever drop more bombs or kill more than we did over that 10 year period
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    Re: Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    what do you think?
    I've been for airstrikes al along, without conditions -ISIL/ISIS is the target either way, whether Iraq partitions by itself or not.

    Pentagon leaders: Iraq probably needs outside help to retake seized territory - The Washington Post

    So I don't see any reason to condition strikes (drone/air) on "political developments"



    I think that the USA needs to stay far away from that place and let those losers fight their own civil war.

    No matter who wins they'll never be real friends of the USA.

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