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    Re: If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Liberals and socialists are big on imposing things but under what constitutional provision do you believe that a business can impose a religious belief on employees? If you're trying to build off the Hobby Lobby ruling, you're playing at a false equivalency. Hobby Lobby in no way is imposing their religious beliefs on their employees - their employees are free to get pregnant and have as many chemical or surgical abortions as they desire, provided their work doesn't suffer and they pay for it themselves. The only one imposing anything was the government, on Hobby Lobby.
    We have to understand that liberals believe that they have the right to force others to pay for things that they want. Not only that but they will twist the truth in such situations.

    So the FACT that hobby lobby covers 16 different types of birth control but does not cover four other types in their health plans and female hobby lobby employees still have the legal right to obtain those other four types of birth control through dozens of other sources excluding their hobby lobby health plan becomes "the religious right is trying to take away all forms of birth control for American women, make their healthcare choices for them and many will die."

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    Re: If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Yeah now any employer will not need to prove anything. All they need do is state they believe something is true and they win.
    Contraception is not abortion. HL didn't have to prove that it is ...they only had to state that they "BELIEVE" that it is.
    No, not any employer, just privately owned companies, owned by individuals who hold certain religious beliefs.

    No, not just any beliefs, but the teachings of the particular religion they are an adherent of.

    No, Hobby Lobby had to prove that payment or provision of the drugs identified in their claim were held by their religion to be contrary to the teachings of that religion.

    By your hysterical overreach, Hobby Lobby could now claim they believe heart medications are against their religion and simply on their say so they wouldn't have to provide coverage for such drugs.

    I appreciate that you don't like the Supreme Court ruling, but do you really think they're a panel of dolts who think like you?
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    Re: If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

    Should an employer be allowed to impose Sharia Law on their employees?.......no....

    Should an employer be allowed to impose Christianity on their employees?.......no...


    and neither has happened.

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    Re: If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

    I imposed some secular humanism on my employees the other day.

    I was disappointed when they didn't notice.
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    Re: If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    The left is trying to force Hobby Lobby (the employer) to pay for abortions.
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    First, it was about four contraceptive medicines, all of which terminate a fertilized cell. All the other mandated contraceptives are still covered.
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    These medicines terminate a fertile cell, if I'm not mistaken.
    Except 3 of the 4 do not cause abortions, they're contraceptives, and their primary method of working when used correctly is to prevent fertilization from happening in the first place (one of the pills, Ella, is debatable/controversial). There is also the fact that often people use morning after pills for medical reasons other than as a contraceptive (ASRM Patient Fact Sheet: Noncontraceptive Benefits of Birth Control Pills). Even the catholic church in Italy have given their blessing on the usage of Plan B with rape victims (they specifically do not condone abortion or abortion pills, but morning after pill is fine - they make a clear distinction).

    Hobby Lobby pay great wages and I'm sure many of their employees can individually access the contraception they need, however the point of the argument, and of the thread is that this ruling leaves the door wide open for any privately held corporation (of which there are a lot, accounting for around half the US workforce) of any religion to come in and proclaim that their closely held beliefs can exempt them from government mandates.

    Just one day after the hobby lobby ruling, 6 cases have been resubmitted for appeal. One of them, Eden Foods, have asked for exemption from all forms of preventative services. I do concede that a lot of this is speculation, and you can make the case that it's not a huge blow for a lot of women who can access and afford the contraceptives themselves, but it's a massive blow for secularism in this country. Allowing companies exemption from the law under unsupported religious belief. As someone mentioned earlier, if this had been a Muslim company pulling such a stunt the people now defending it would be in outrage.

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    Re: If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Since you want to project as an expert on the SC decision, perhaps you can tell us where in the ruling it forbids Hobby Lobby employees from using or purchasing any kind of birth control or chemical abortion drug.
    In the Jim Crow laws there wasn't anything that said that blacks couldn't go down the street and sit at a counter, that wasn't racially segregated.
    But now the fact is that HL employees have just slightly fewer rights than all other American employees when it comes to healthcare insurance...
    ...and it's all because of what someone chose to "believe".
    This ruling is bad law and will eventually be reversed when it will need to be revisited.
    I suspect that will be sooner, rather than later.

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    Re: If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    In the Jim Crow laws there wasn't anything that said that blacks couldn't go down the street and sit at a counter, that wasn't racially segregated.
    But now the fact is that HL employees have just slightly fewer rights than all other American employees when it comes to healthcare insurance...
    ...and it's all because of what someone chose to "believe".
    This ruling is bad law and will eventually be reversed when it will need to be revisited.
    I suspect that will be sooner, rather than later.
    You can stil just buy this stuff yourself. No rights are violated, only an entitlement which shouldn't exist at all anyway.

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    Re: If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    No, not any employer, just privately owned companies, owned by individuals who hold certain religious beliefs.

    No, not just any beliefs, but the teachings of the particular religion they are an adherent of.

    No, Hobby Lobby had to prove that payment or provision of the drugs identified in their claim were held by their religion to be contrary to the teachings of that religion...
    I appreciate that you don't like the Supreme Court ruling, but do you really think they're a panel of dolts who think like you?
    All religion is treated the same under our constitution and any opinion can be claimed as a deeply held religious conviction.
    By your hysterical overreach, Hobby Lobby could now claim they believe heart medications are against their religion and simply on their say so they wouldn't have to provide coverage for such drugs.
    Don't be so sure that they, or others ( like the Christian Scientists) aren't going to try something just like that.
    Their lawyers now have the precedent of a SC decision to argue their case. Lower court judges look at such SC decisions as a guide to making their own decisions.
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    Re: If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You can stil just buy this stuff yourself. No rights are violated, only an entitlement which shouldn't exist at all anyway.
    So if the SC ruled that let's say, people who worked for Jews were not allowed to receive food assistance, ... You would be AOK with such a ruling?
    BTW health insurance under the AHA is not an entitlement...It is a requrement
    Last edited by Buck Ewer; 07-03-14 at 08:34 PM.

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    Re: If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    So if the SC ruled that let's say, people who worked for Jews were not allowed to receive food assistance, ... You would be AOK with such a ruling?
    If food assistance were an employer-provided benefit, and if the employer were Jewish, and the employer thus refused to offer pork products through that food assistance, yes I would be OK with that. You can still take your paycheck and go buy pork products if you want to, and that employer isn't allowed to fire you if you do.

    Likewise Hobby Lobby employees can take their paychecks and go buy any of the 4 types of BC not covered by Hobby Lobby if the other 16 forms of BC Hobby Lobby does offer still aren't good enough. Hobby Lobby cannot take action against any employee who buys those forms of BC.

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