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    Re: If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Personally, I;m pretty cool with the HL decision. Its nice to see evangelicals in a minority position these days.

    But I find it funny that the people who are screaming loudest about religious liberties would absolutely go ape**** if a case regarding a muslim owned company refusing to reimburse non-halal meats for traveling employees reached SCOTUS.
    I don't see this case as really being about religious liberty at the end of the day (even though that was the point of law being discussed). The bigger issue is whether an employer can really be mandated to cater to the panoply of potential personal needs of its employees.

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    Re: If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    They cannot be forced to violate Sharia law unless the state can show a clear and compelling need that cannot be met with less invasive means.
    Well, gosh... forcing people to go to non sex segregated clinics (which dont exist in the US) would be forcing them to voilate religious beliefs.

    Forcing Jehovahs witnesses to pay for blood transfusions comes to mind. Forcing Christian Scientists to get ANY health insurance is an issue too, no?
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    Re: If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Well, gosh... forcing people to go to non sex segregated clinics (which dont exist in the US) would be forcing them to voilate religious beliefs.
    That is untrue. However, forcing Christian Scientists (for example) to cover elective surgery for adults might be.

    Forcing Jehovahs witnesses to pay for blood transfusions comes to mind. Forcing Christian Scientists to get ANY health insurance is an issue too, no?
    Where the State can demonstrate a clear and compelling need that cannot be met with less invasive means. For example, the State has the right to intervene and use force to deliver medical aid that can be demonstrated to be needed to the children of Christian Scientists, despite their objections - because the state has a clear and compelling interest in protecting the lives of its citizens.

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    Re: If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Personally, I;m pretty cool with the HL decision. Its nice to see evangelicals in a minority position these days.

    But I find it funny that the people who are screaming loudest about religious liberties would absolutely go ape**** if a case regarding a muslim owned company refusing to reimburse non-halal meats for traveling employees reached SCOTUS.
    I don't think I'm aware of anyone who would go ape**** over that. In fact my current employer does restrict what I can and cannot get reimbursed for in my meals when I travel on business.

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    Re: If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Well, gosh... forcing people to go to non sex segregated clinics (which dont exist in the US) would be forcing them to voilate religious beliefs.

    Forcing Jehovahs witnesses to pay for blood transfusions comes to mind. Forcing Christian Scientists to get ANY health insurance is an issue too, no?
    Yes indeed! You can't force employers to pay for all these various personal needs of its employees. They will gladly sabotage all your best intentions when you try to force your political opinions onto their business contracts. Require contracts to include consideration. Wages alone are sufficient to satisfy this condition.

    Employers do not buy your labor in exchange for meeting all your needs. They buy your labor for a specified rate of pay, and you can use that pay to figure out how to meet your own needs. Or you can squander it. You can do whatever you want with it.

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    Re: If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    If an employee does not believe in Sharia Law and its beliefs or certain parts why couldnt that employee be fired or certain benefits not given to them?
    BURWELL v. HOBBY LOBBY

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    As this description of our reasoning shows, our holding is very specific. We do not hold, as the principal dissent alleges, that for-profit corporations and other commercial enterprises can “opt out of any law (saving only tax laws) they judge incompatible with their sincerely held religious beliefs.”....
    It goes on.

    To answer your question, if an employee does not believe in Sharia Law and its beliefs or certain parts, they are still protected by anti-discrimination law and cannot be fired for it. The ruling is very, very clear, that this ONLY applies to BC and ONLY when a corporation can demonstrate a "closely held belief". The ruling is also VERY clear that for-profit corporations do not have standing to now impose religious beliefs onto employees.

    This ruling doesn't even help cake shops sued out of business for refusing to bake for a gay wedding.
    Last edited by Jerry; 07-03-14 at 01:25 AM.

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    Re: If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    BURWELL v. HOBBY LOBBY

    PDF page 9:

    It goes on.

    To answer your question, if an employee does not believe in Sharia Law and its beliefs or certain parts, they are still protected by anti-discrimination law and cannot be fired for it. The ruling is very, very clear, that this ONLY applies to BC and ONLY when a cooperation can demonstrate a "closely held belief". The ruling is also VERY clear that for-profit corporations do not have standing to now impose religious beliefs onto employees.
    So ohhhhhhhh what happens if i dont believe in Hobbys Lobbys Christian sect beliefs can i still be covered or not? Or does the the employee still dictat everything?


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    Re: If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

    No, same goes for Hobby Lobby. They should have to follow the law of the land just like everyone else. Your religious beliefs have nothing to do with your employees, in the very same way that our representatives religious views "should" have nothing to do with their constituents.
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    Re: If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So ohhhhhhhh what happens if i dont believe in Hobbys Lobbys Christian sect beliefs can i still be covered or not? Or does the the employee still dictat everything?
    When you read the ruling you will see that the Fed is setting up a program to get BC to employees who aren't covered for it. So, will you be covered? Yes, but not by the employer.

    You retain the option to go buy BC for yourself, too. You can just buy it, you know. The 4 kinds of BC being objected to are very inexpensive.

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    Re: If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    When you read the ruling you will see that the Fed is setting up a program to get BC to employees who aren't covered for it.
    No they are not. This is a possible option.


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