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All I've seen from you is "NO Amnesty".Not one of them mention deportation.
All I've seen from you is "NO Amnesty".Not one of them mention deportation.
It is my responsibilty to prove that your "team" is playing sleazy, low-ball politics on immigration--see Reagan.Can't prove a negative. Didn't you know that? Besides, you made a claim, it's your responsibility to back up your claim.
I was watching a report this morning on the influx of illegal immigrants. They interviewed one lady who said the reason she and her children entered America was to escape the danger of living in her own country that is now controlled by drug cartels. It dawned on me, the drug cartels exist because of the American market and demand for illegal drugs. A huge often unspoken cause of the illegal immigration problem is possibly American-made; our demand for illegal drugs that have made their country uninhabitable due to the organized crime culture that now exists in their country. If American vices have inadvertently created a drug cartel controlled war zone in their country, do we have a moral obligation to offer the otherwise law abiding citizens of those affected countries sanctuary as refugees?
NO...
Complete and total strawman.
All I've seen from you is "NO Amnesty".
It is my responsibilty to prove that your "team" is playing sleazy, low-ball politics on immigration--see Reagan.
Congrats on being part of the divide America krew, just because of their hatred of Obama.
Your side has set precedence of how "we" will behave if you Republicans ever have the Prez again.
Drama queen much!
Yet you continue to be obtuse on the existence of a Senate bill on immigration passed last year.
Why is that Kal?
Yet it has passed the Senate and you're saying it hasn't while admitting you don't know anything about it.
We call that lying where I come from .
You don't even know what law was passed last year by the Senate that the House won't look at--you've got work to do to get caught up Sir .
Yes, I agree However, the Latin American cartels aren't supplying Germany with illegal drugs.
I should clarify that when I said. "...the same vices even", I meant many have the same vices but some have different vices, hence every society has their vice, whatever it may be.
Germans have their vices, too, just maybe not in Latin America's market. Doesn't change my overall point, though.
We do not owe anybody anything. No one makes them traffic in drugs. They make that decision on their own.
I agree but if our particular vices have made Latin Americans living peacefully in their own homes I wondering do we have a duty to either help make their homes livable again or offer them new homes is all I was asking.
Yes, I agree However, the Latin American cartels aren't supplying Germany with illegal drugs.
Sure. And Afghan farmers aren't supplying America with Heroin. Cause, you know, drug dealers are afraid of the water....
Heroin is a multibillion dollar business supported by powerful interests, which requires a steady and secure commodity flow. One of the “hidden” objectives of the war was precisely to restore the CIA sponsored drug trade to its historical levels and exert direct control over the drug routes.
I was watching a report this morning on the influx of illegal immigrants. They interviewed one lady who said the reason she and her children entered America was to escape the danger of living in her own country that is now controlled by drug cartels. It dawned on me, the drug cartels exist because of the American market and demand for illegal drugs. A huge often unspoken cause of the illegal immigration problem is possibly American-made; our demand for illegal drugs that have made their country uninhabitable due to the organized crime culture that now exists in their country. If American vices have inadvertently created a drug cartel controlled war zone in their country, do we have a moral obligation to offer the otherwise law abiding citizens of those affected countries sanctuary as refugees?
How far do we take it? If we were to suddenly become 100% virtuous and stop drug use completely, would we then owe drug people retraining? Their sudden lack of "employment" would be our fault, too.I agree but if our particular vices have made Latin Americans living peacefully in their own homes I wondering do we have a duty to either help make their homes livable again or offer them new homes is all I was asking.
How far do we take it? If we were to suddenly become 100% virtuous and stop drug use completely, would we then owe drug people retraining? Their sudden lack of "employment" would be our fault, too.
Like I said earlier, I empathize with them, but no. What's missing from the conversation is what level of responsibility do people have for their own situation. There's always going to be outside influences pushing and pulling of some kind, legal or illegal.
Why did you phrase your question differently from the thread title?
I thought I was simply asking the same question differently. Sorry for any confusion.
I was watching a report this morning on the influx of illegal immigrants. They interviewed one lady who said the reason she and her children entered America was to escape the danger of living in her own country that is now controlled by drug cartels. It dawned on me, the drug cartels exist because of the American market and demand for illegal drugs. A huge often unspoken cause of the illegal immigration problem is possibly American-made; our demand for illegal drugs that have made their country uninhabitable due to the organized crime culture that now exists in their country. If American vices have inadvertently created a drug cartel controlled war zone in their country, do we have a moral obligation to offer the otherwise law abiding citizens of those affected countries sanctuary as refugees?
Not sure why you would want to do that, but whatever.
And how is that so, cause it sure ain't the farmers doing the trafficking:
I'd be curious what Mexican law had to say about people passing through their country.